LR3 lowering to access mode overnight

SpreadTheGroove

New member
Hey!

New to the LR world. Just bought my LR3 over the holidays to replace my stolen Tacoma. Ive noticed it lowers to access mode overnight and its my understanding that it is not supposed to. I took to the local independent LR shop in my area and after looking at it he recommended replacing the compressor. I have a hard time understanding how the compressor is at fault for this when the truck is off. Does this make any sense? Any advice or input would be appreciated.

Thanks


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krick3tt

Adventurer
Research that on the site. I believe it is covered somewhere. There is a leak. Get the upgraded LR4 assembly, it is works better.
 

Blaise

Well-known member
False.

Pull the fuse for the EAS after it airs up, that will isolate where it's leaking from. Take measurements before and after the night.

The truck auto levels every 20 minutes while its off, so if one corner leaks, it slowly lowers itself down. Could be as simple as a $10 O ring kit for a valve block (my case) or a bad air shock (worst case).

It's really worrying a rover shop wouldn't know this.
 

SpreadTheGroove

New member
False.

Pull the fuse for the EAS after it airs up, that will isolate where it's leaking from. Take measurements before and after the night.

The truck auto levels every 20 minutes while its off, so if one corner leaks, it slowly lowers itself down. Could be as simple as a $10 O ring kit for a valve block (my case) or a bad air shock (worst case).

It's really worrying a rover shop wouldn't know this.

He suspects the the valve is leaking back into the compressor. The previous owner had the truck for 10 years and never replaced it, I suspect it might be original. So it will need it eventually.

I looked at another thread and it said to pull fuses F35P (passenger glove compartment), F3E, and F26E (engine compartment). But his would only lower in the rear, mine lowers all 4. If i removed the following fuses and it doesn't lower then what would it be? And if it still does what is my next step?

I plan on lifting the truck to make room for bigger tires but would like to sort the suspension before I do that.

Thanks
 

Blaise

Well-known member
A few things.

Don't 'lift' the truck. No such thing. You have a button for that. If you trick the sensors you're doing nothing but ruining the droop/bump ratio along with handling issues plus added driveline wear. Once you have a GAP tool you can run an additional ~25mm of lift for off-road scenarios which results in a 50/50 bump/droop ratio assuming you've calibrated your wheel sensors. 50/50 is the most aggressive ratio you can do without being 'topped out.'

Stick to a 265/65/18 or 285/60/18 tire. I run the former and can go anywhere in the US short of Golden Spike in Moab. I do not recommend an E-rated tire but I won't say you shouldn't run one with my flame suit on ;) If you run a tire larger than this an EAS failure will leave you stranded even on a flat road.

The valve could leak back, but step one is to pull the fuses to see if that's the case. Gotta start there.

If no lowering: You have an electronics issue which is causing the truck to falsely self-level until its on the bump stops.

Since the truck is new to you, you might even have multiple leaks. Definitely measure, pull fuses, let it settle, and go from there. My truck is an '06 and I've done nothing but O rings in the front valve block.
 
I've been chasing a few issues with my air suspension recently and I'll tell you it can be a long patient game to narrow down the exact source of a leak. There are two options, you spend a ton of money just replacing random parts until the problem goes away, or you spend the time and narrow down the leak to one component. It is true that after 10 years a lot of the components will need to be replaced eventually but that's one big bullet to bite all at once.

While others have mentioned some of the workings of the suspension system, I've attached a overview pdf of the system. Disco3.co.uk can also be a really good resource for finding leaks. Search for "lowering overnight" or something similar to your symptoms.


Here's the basics to find a leak:
-Raise the suspension to off-road height.
-Pull Fuse 26 in the engine compartment, this will disable the suspension ECU which will prevent the computer from waking up and self-leveling over night.
-Measure all four corners of the truck with a measuring tape from the center of the wheel to the top of the fender liner.
-Depending on how slow your leak is it may take an hour or 8 or 10 to see a change. Measure all 4 corners again.
-Since the computer never self-leveled the car you can now determine these scenarios:
1: Front two corners lowered while rear stayed same or nearly same---Front Valve Block issue (Or 2 air struts are failing at the same time although unlikely)
2: Rear two corners lowered whole front stayed same or nearly same---Rear Valve Block issue (Or 2 air struts are failing at the same time although unlikely)
3: All 4 corners lowered---Front and Rear valve block issue (Or all 4 air struts are failing at the same time although unlikely)
4: One or multiple corners lowered significantly more than the others---One air strut is leaking at that corner, the bag or at the connector

If you need to change a valve block, consider buying a seal refresh kit ~$35 I think and replace the seals first. There are several other post here that detail that procedure. What happens often is that the desiccant dryer elements in the compressor break down to a fine dust over the years and gets distributed through the system to the different seals. That then breaks them down and causes leaks. If you replace the seals its a good idea to replace the dryer elements at the same time to prevent this happening again to your new seals. Those kits are on ebay, but make sure you know which brand of air compressor you have. Hitachi or AMK.

Once you determine which scenarios is most likely you can start tackling that one problem area. Sometimes, the issue will persist or you will find a new issue that was masked by that failing part. Again it's a slow game of wait and see and replace one component at a time until the system is stable. If you have this time you will save a significant amount of money over letting the mechanic replace parts willynilly.

Let us know what you find.
 

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douglastic

Member
In this order:

1. Replace desiccant in dryer and Rebuild compressor with service kit
2. Check dryer cap for cracks, replace with metal item (mine had crack between fittings)
3. Wait a week (or more) to allow dust to finish traveling thru lines
4. Remove and disassemble/clean front valve block (EASY) - use o-ring kit if any look damaged (mine didn't)
5. Check overnight lowering for a few days
6. Remove and disassemble/clean rear valve block (PITA) - use o-ring kit if any look damaged (mine didn't)

I have not had to touch my center valve block. I still have original Struts and Compressor - and have only done the above.
Holds steady like it should!

You can even buy full kits than include desiccant, dryer cap, and seals all at once.
Good luck.
 

SpreadTheGroove

New member
I've been chasing a few issues with my air suspension recently and I'll tell you it can be a long patient game to narrow down the exact source of a leak. There are two options, you spend a ton of money just replacing random parts until the problem goes away, or you spend the time and narrow down the leak to one component. It is true that after 10 years a lot of the components will need to be replaced eventually but that's one big bullet to bite all at once.

While others have mentioned some of the workings of the suspension system, I've attached a overview pdf of the system. Disco3.co.uk can also be a really good resource for finding leaks. Search for "lowering overnight" or something similar to your symptoms.


Here's the basics to find a leak:
-Raise the suspension to off-road height.
-Pull Fuse 3 in the engine compartment, this will disable the suspension ECU which will prevent the computer from waking up and self-leveling over night.
-Measure all four corners of the truck with a measuring tape from the center of the wheel to the top of the fender liner.
-Depending on how slow your leak is it may take an hour or 8 or 10 to see a change. Measure all 4 corners again.
-Since the computer never self-leveled the car you can now determine these scenarios:
1: Front two corners lowered while rear stayed same or nearly same---Front Valve Block issue (Or 2 air struts are failing at the same time although unlikely)
2: Rear two corners lowered whole front stayed same or nearly same---Rear Valve Block issue (Or 2 air struts are failing at the same time although unlikely)
3: All 4 corners lowered---Front and Rear valve block issue (Or all 4 air struts are failing at the same time although unlikely)
4: One or multiple corners lowered significantly more than the others---One air strut is leaking at that corner, the bag or at the connector

If you need to change a valve block, consider buying a seal refresh kit ~$35 I think and replace the seals first. There are several other post here that detail that procedure. What happens often is that the desiccant dryer elements in the compressor break down to a fine dust over the years and gets distributed through the system to the different seals. That then breaks them down and causes leaks. If you replace the seals its a good idea to replace the dryer elements at the same time to prevent this happening again to your new seals. Those kits are on ebay, but make sure you know which brand of air compressor you have. Hitachi or AMK.

Once you determine which scenarios is most likely you can start tackling that one problem area. Sometimes, the issue will persist or you will find a new issue that was masked by that failing part. Again it's a slow game of wait and see and replace one component at a time until the system is stable. If you have this time you will save a significant amount of money over letting the mechanic replace parts willynilly.

Let us know what you find.


Thanks! I'll pull that fuse when I return home from work. It's worth nothing that my driveway isn't level. But i've noticed the truck doing elsewhere. I have been at work for 6 hours and it hasn't moved.

Blaise, I ordered a Gap tool and intended on using that for raising the truck when needed. I had a set of 275/65/18 tires I was going to use. I already have them so I will give them a try. If they dont work i'll get smaller.

Thanks
 

Blaise

Well-known member
Which 275s?

With some trimming you may be able to run those. Definitely let us know.
 

Blaise

Well-known member
I can't remember who posted this here. Here you go.
 

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Was it blown? I'd imagine not if the vehicle was raising ok. 10a may have overloaded the ECU but otherwise can't think of a reason why it would be an issue.
 

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