Does a 230 mile/charge range make you more or less likely to buy a Lighning?

AbleGuy

Officious Intermeddler
While the EPA mileage range numbers for the 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning have not yet been posted up on the EPA website, some observers have posted shots of window stickers on an F-150 forum showing Ford estimated ranges.

Here are those numbers below:
Standard range battery:
Pro: 230 miles

Extended range battery:
Pro: 320 miles
Lariat: 320 miles
Platinum: 300 miles

For more info, including efficiency ratings, check out this article:

 

Grassland

Well-known member
The fact in Canada it's $13,000 for the ER battery puts the truck well outside my budget, and it not offering a Supercab 6.5 bed also makes it not useful.
Otherwise the short range battery might be useable for a work truck of you exclude towing. Also no Pro available here.
 

ThundahBeagle

Well-known member
Filling these will likely eventually go as fast as filling a gas tank. Range will increase over the next 5 and 10 years. And if they can make a Jerry can size charger pack that gives you 70 or a hundred miles someday, what would be the difference ce between a future electric vehicle like that, and what we drive today?

People balk at wctric because range drops precipitously when towing but doesn't it drop when towing with a gasser as well?

When the electrics can do what the gasses can do, and when the electrical grid can sustain 80% of humans plugging in to charge every night, maybe I'll be in with it

Not yet though. They cost too much
 

Todd780

OverCamper
When the electrics can do what the gasses can do, and when the electrical grid can sustain 80% of humans plugging in to charge every night, maybe I'll be in with it

Not yet though. They cost too much
Yep. And also when charging stations are as abundant as gas stations.
 

DaveInDenver

Middle Income Semi-Redneck
For fleets that this is within the daily use range I think they make a lot of sense. No oil changes- transmission, etc. Not for everyone for sure though.
The use case is absolutely key. I could see a fleet EV truck where it's used all day, charge it at night. The problem is realistic range and charging in exceptional cases. Vail (the ski town) is finding that EV buses are very optimistically rated and fast charging isn't as useful as you'd think. They're adjusting routes to be shorter and have ended up needing a larger fleet of buses this winter because the actual doesn't match the theory, so they've had them die and get stranded sooner than they expected. This isn't a knock so much on EV, because I think there's benefits like quiet and no exhaust that make sense like this. Just that sales and marketing doesn't bother asking engineering if what they're saying is true. In the case of a fleet pickup 230 miles is great but make sure you know the penalty for towing or being at full payload all the time and needing to run lights when the days are short, have a radio always on and heat or A/C when the weather isn't a perfect 75°. It's entirely possible the fleet manager will need to assume only 115 miles of range when other drains start to happen. Like telling the drivers not to leave the headlights on to illuminate your work.
 
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plh

Explorer
The use case is absolutely key. I could see a fleet EV truck where it's used all day, charge it at night. The problem is realistic range and charging in exceptional cases. Vail (the ski town) is finding that EV buses are very optimistically rated and fast charging isn't as useful as you'd think. They're adjusting routes to be shorter and have ended up needing a larger fleet of buses this winter because the actual doesn't match the theory, so they've had them die and get stranded sooner than they expected. This isn't a knock so much on EV, because I think there's benefits like quiet and no exhaust that make sense like this. Just that sales and marketing doesn't bother asking engineering if what they're saying is true. In the case of a fleet pickup 230 miles is great but make sure you know the penalty for towing or being at full payload all the time and needing to run lights when the days are short, have a radio always on and heat or A/C when the weather isn't a perfect 75°. It's entirely possible the fleet manager will need to assume only 115 miles of range when other drains start to happen. Like telling the drivers not to leave the headlights on to illuminate your work.

GM feels the same way! https://www.gobrightdrop.com/products/evs
 

ThundahBeagle

Well-known member
The use case is absolutely key. I could see a fleet EV truck where it's used all day, charge it at night. The problem is realistic range and charging in exceptional cases. Vail (the ski town) is finding that EV buses are very optimistically rated and fast charging isn't as useful as you'd think. They're adjusting routes to be shorter and have ended up needing a larger fleet of buses this winter because the actual doesn't match the theory, so they've had them die and get stranded sooner than they expected. This isn't a knock so much on EV, because I think there's benefits like quiet and no exhaust that make sense like this. Just that sales and marketing doesn't bother asking engineering if what they're saying is true. In the case of a fleet pickup 230 miles is great but make sure you know the penalty for towing or being at full payload all the time and needing to run lights when the days are short, have a radio always on and heat or A/C when the weather isn't a perfect 75°. It's entirely possible the fleet manager will need to assume only 115 miles of range when other drains start to happen. Like telling the drivers not to leave the headlights on to illuminate your work.

Yep
Cold and hills will do it to electric.

I could * not * use my truck at 115 miles total range
 

ricoisme26

Active member
I would not be interested in the lightening for similar reasons as those listed above. I would be more interested in a commuter car that was all electric, run to work, errands around town and back home to charge each night. The usage of my truck varies greatly from daily commute to hauling building supplies, to towing distances. Electric trucks could make sense for fleet use where the real world range and capabilities and charging ability are known and they fit the fleets usage.

I am interested in the F150 powerboost and wish we would see more hybrid options for trucks, I feel that these give you the best of both worlds and could be greatly expanded upon. Sadly I believe that manufacturers are looking to jump into EVs and will jump right over this area of expansion.

Amp up the powerboost (pun intended) as a plug in hybrid with some more EV capabilities and you could have your cake and eat it too (assuming there is payload remaining for cake)
 

ChasingOurTrunks

Well-known member
The average American drives less than 30 miles per day, according to AAA. The range in the Lightening will be fine for the vast majority of users (and, related, the vast majority of folks who buy a pickup truck don't actually need them for their 4x4/truck features -- I'm not judging people's needs, and am a firm believer in "buy what you like", but I think these data points speak to the viability of the Lightening's range). Even if someone drives 7 times more than their "average" neighbours they will fit in the 230 mile claimed range. To the point of folks like @ThundahBeagle, not everyone is in this demographic -- the 'average' is not the 'every' -- but for a lot of end-users the electric truck won't be that different than a gas one, as their daily mileage is lower than even the extremely conservative numbers of just over 100 miles range, and the truck can be plugged in and topped up at home overnight.

As far as charging times, there are two factors I think about. The first factor is that charging times are practically pretty good today - far better than many give them credit for, as this is an area where there's been significant real-world growth in the last 5-ish years. I've shared before, but a Tesla managed to do nearly 3,000 kms in 24 hours on the Autobahn a few years ago. Without a doubt they are slower to refuel than gas equivalents, but even in a gas vehicle I can't see anyone practically needing to do 2700 kms in a day -- human beings aren't really wired to do that, regardless of whether they are in an ICE or an EV, so in a 24-hour period, EVs have the same practical range as gas vehicles (i.e. the vehicle will go further, including fuel stops, in a day than most humans likely would want to do in that same time period).

The second factor I think about is in terms of re-thinking how we do stuff. Without a doubt, an EV will take longer to charge than a car does to gas up, but how can we re-think that use of time? It's not as if you have to plug in your car and sit there with your hand on the charging cable for an hour, the way you often must do at gas stations for 5-10 minutes, so how else can that time be used? In terms of travelling, when I think of the "flow" of our trips, we typically camp somewhere overnight and hit the road in the morning. By lunchtime, we typically need to get gas but we tend to 'stack' our stops -- this is what I mean by "how else can that time be used". So we fill up on gas, spin the dogs out, grab something to eat, use the restrooms, etc. which in total takes us between 30 minutes and an hour depending on how relaxed we are being. That's plenty of time for an EV to sit and passively charge while we are doing our other tasks. I think a similar "rethink how we do stuff" approach can work for commercial users of EVs. Folks using EVs professionally would for sure need to figure out how they use their time to make it worthwhile but it's not a deal breaker. For a time, I was working from the cab of my truck; a gas stop is a "lost" 10 - 20 minutes, but I can totally see myself parking for an hour to charge and pull out my laptop to do invoicing/e-mails as that full hour actually gives me some time to focus. That is work that needs to be done at some point in the day - might as well do it while my truck is fuelling up, and kill two birds with one stone.

The biggest issue is that not everywhere has the infrastructure of the Autobahn, and there's no easy way to haul 5 gallons of electricity for remote touring -- but as EVs grow in popularity (which looks to be the trend), the infrastructure will follow to support while at the same time, the performance of said infrastructure will continue to improve dramatically.
 

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