Buying a new (to me) Tacoma

Rando

Explorer
I have been lurking on this board for a couple of weeks and have been very impressed the level of knowledge and the advice given here. It has helped me a lot in my decisions about a new vehicle, but I have a couple of specific questions and would appreciate some feedback.

First some background, I am not new to overland travel. My first vehicle was an HJ47 'troopy' that I spent six months living out of and drove over 10,000kms around Australia, more recently I have spent a while tooling around in a Hagglunds BV206 (work vehicle). However now I live in Colorado and my normal expedition vehicle is my Arcteryx backpack.

I am looking for a minimalist camping set up, just a place for two to sleep, no fridge or stove or anything like that. My goals are a fuel efficient and reliable vehicle with a sleeping area which doesn't need to be 'set up'. One of the primary uses will be winter camping in ski resort parking lots, so inconspicuous is good. Moderate off-road capability is a must, as another use will be getting to trailheads and canyons in the desert and mountains. These specifications seem to exactly describe a Tacoma with a shell and a sleeping platform. I have been looking at used Tacomas, with the limiting factor being my budget of $10,000. I had a couple questions pertaining to my search.

Are there any particular years or models to avoid? My price range seems to put me in the 1998 - 2005 range.

Prices seem to vary hugely, and are generally slightly to a lot above blue book, any ideas on what one would expect to get for about $9000 (saving $1000 for repairs/upgrades)?

Is the V6 significantly worse on gas than the 4? I would prefer a manual, but there are lots of autos around, is there anything wrong with the auto?

Which shells give the most headroom (I will build a platform and install lights and an aux battery) and any estimates on the cost of a used shell?

Okay that is a lot of questions, I appreciate any help you can give me!
 

Overland Hadley

on a journey
Is the V6 significantly worse on gas than the 4? I would prefer a manual, but there are lots of autos around, is there anything wrong with the auto?

Which shells give the most headroom (I will build a platform and install lights and an aux battery) and any estimates on the cost of a used shell?

Some say that the six will get the same mpg as the four because it does not have to work as hard. I think it all depends how you drive it.

My Tacoma was my first auto, but I love it now.

I have a Leer 122, best head room in a standard model.
 

bigreen505

Expedition Leader
Love Arc'Teryx stuff. Have you looked at Bajataco's site? His setup sounds like what you are looking for.

Tacomas are abundant but also expensive in Colorado -- kind of like Outbacks. Get the extra cab and cap that has a tall roofline.

Honestly, I also would take a hard look at a Suburban. Not expensive used, try to find one with a 4.11 rear, it makes a big difference. Remove the third row seat and you have about 6' of room for sleeping. Build a platform and skis can go underneath. Gas mileage with the 1500 5.3 V8 and 4.11 gears is about 18ish. The big down-side is they are a lot to maneuver off road. They are great road cars and the ultimate gear hauler.

If you decide that being inconspicuous is not important, check out 18seeds setup.
 

Rando

Explorer
Thanks!

If you don't mind me asking, how much did the leer set you back? Also how much headroom do you get, say between the to of the wheel arches and the ceiling, could you sit up?

Some say that the six will get the same mpg as the four because it does not have to work as hard. I think it all depends how you drive it.

My Tacoma was my first auto, but I love it now.

I have a Leer 122, best head room in a standard model.
 

Rando

Explorer
Bajataco's stuff looks great, however I don't think I would take it as far as he has.

I am glad I am not the only one that thinks Tacomas are expensive in Colorado, most everyone I have seen has been at least 10% above KBB.

The Suburban is not for me, too big and too much fuel. I am also a bit of a Toyota snob, 3 out of the 4 cars I have owned have been Toyota's and they have all done at least 200,000 miles and still running.

Love Arc'Teryx stuff. Have you looked at Bajataco's site? His setup sounds like what you are looking for.

Tacomas are abundant but also expensive in Colorado -- kind of like Outbacks. Get the extra cab and cap that has a tall roofline.

Honestly, I also would take a hard look at a Suburban. Not expensive used, try to find one with a 4.11 rear, it makes a big difference. Remove the third row seat and you have about 6' of room for sleeping. Build a platform and skis can go underneath. Gas mileage with the 1500 5.3 V8 and 4.11 gears is about 18ish. The big down-side is they are a lot to maneuver off road. They are great road cars and the ultimate gear hauler.

If you decide that being inconspicuous is not important, check out 18seeds setup.
 

jh504

Explorer
Welcome to the site. The Taco would be an excellent platform to start from. I have owned a '98 and an '01 and I loved them both. One was a 3.4 manual and the other was a 3.4 auto. I think I got about 22 hwy in the auto with a 3" lift. If you can find one with the TRD package in the $10,000 price range you will have a VERY capable "out of the box" 4x4. Not much modification would be needed, performance wise, to do what you want it to.
 

Overland Hadley

on a journey
Thanks!

If you don't mind me asking, how much did the leer set you back? Also how much headroom do you get, say between the to of the wheel arches and the ceiling, could you sit up?

Sadly I can not sit up straight when sitting on my platform, very close but not quite. But I am 6'4" and a shorter person most likely could sit with out a problem.

I can measure the height exactly tomorrow.
 

Rando

Explorer
Luckily for me I am no where near 6'4" so I might be in luck!

Sadly I can not sit up straight when sitting on my platform, very close but not quite. But I am 6'4" and a shorter person most likely could sit with out a problem.

I can measure the height exactly tomorrow.
 

czenkov

Adventurer
Here is a couple pics of mine (neither very good for illustration purposes but its all I got right now) and sitting on the bed of the truck I only have about 2-3" to spare. I am 6'0" tall. It is a Mirage.
 

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redthies

Renaissance Redneck
We had an 01 dblcab TRD 3.4 auto for 7 years. Zero problems. That was the best truck yet. Mileage is about the same as with the 2.7. Auto is actually better than the stick if you drive them the same way. I also agree that if you can find a TRD it is worth it. You will be impressed with the capabilities. We put a 3" Revtek kit and 285 BFG mts on my wife's and it was simply awesome! You want the extended cab though if you want to sleep in the back. Dblcab is too short in the box for sleeping in...
 

Rando

Explorer
Your truck is exactly the vehicle I am looking for. You don't have a sleeping platform in yours correct? So if you did there would not be enough room to sit up.

Here is a couple pics of mine (neither very good for illustration purposes but its all I got right now) and sitting on the bed of the truck I only have about 2-3" to spare. I am 6'0" tall. It is a Mirage.
 

bigreen505

Expedition Leader
I'm not sure what your vehicle experience is, but I would say the 4 cylinder is about equal power to the early '90s 3.0 V6 4Runner and a little less than the same vintage Nissan 3.0 V6. I do not consider 4 cylinder auto to be a serviceable combination running around Colorado. Your real world gas mileage is probably a couple mpg better on the 4 cylinder, but not more than that. You are forever flogging the thing which also is more work for you.

For what it's worth, my experience with the 4 cylinder taco was a friend with a 5-speed Xtra-cab running 30x9.5 MTs. He ultimately replaced it with a V6 Xtra-cab TRD. Also, if you are willing to be more conspicuous, consider a Wildernest or Flip-pac instead of a regular cap.

If the Suburban is out and it must be a Toyota, consider a Tundra. On a used vehicle, reliability has more to do with previous owners than any inherent quality in the vehicle.
 

Rando

Explorer
I think either the 4 or the 6 would be better than my current 1990 Corolla all-trac with 1.6L of raw power, or my old diesel landcruiser that clocked its top speed in neutral going down hill! Fuel economy is a major concern for me so I think the 2.7L 4 banger with a 5 speed maybe my best option. However the problem with buying used on a budget is that you have to flexible, if the right V6 at the right price comes along that it will be.

I have been reading about the flippacs and wildernests, and I think eventually I would like to go that route. I am keeping an eye out for a used one. It would be similar to my friends VW Westy which I am so jealous of, except when going over Vail pass or when broken down once a month. It seems that if you needed to be incognito you could still squeeze in to a flippac without flipping it, then if you were camping somewhere 'legal' you could flip it and be in the lap of luxury.

Thanks for your input!


I'm not sure what your vehicle experience is, but I would say the 4 cylinder is about equal power to the early '90s 3.0 V6 4Runner and a little less than the same vintage Nissan 3.0 V6. I do not consider 4 cylinder auto to be a serviceable combination running around Colorado. Your real world gas mileage is probably a couple mpg better on the 4 cylinder, but not more than that. You are forever flogging the thing which also is more work for you.

For what it's worth, my experience with the 4 cylinder taco was a friend with a 5-speed Xtra-cab running 30x9.5 MTs. He ultimately replaced it with a V6 Xtra-cab TRD. Also, if you are willing to be more conspicuous, consider a Wildernest or Flip-pac instead of a regular cap.

If the Suburban is out and it must be a Toyota, consider a Tundra. On a used vehicle, reliability has more to do with previous owners than any inherent quality in the vehicle.
 

Jerseytaco

Observer
Yea I would go with the Six. I can remember when I had my 2000 2.7 Xtra cab and shell driving on Rt.70 getting passed by Semi-trucks going up the mountians of colorado in third gear.
 

jh504

Explorer
The 4cyl 3RZ has almost the exact same torque and horsepower rating as the old 3.0 6cyl. I have heard very good things about the reliability of the 3RZ. If power does not make that much difference to you then I would not rule them out. I am getting tired of my current 3.0 though and wish that I had just a little more "get up and go". I still wouldnt rule out the 3RZ though, just for the reliability factor.
 

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