100 Series TLC

[Pskhaat]

Educate me
1 - able to hold 7 people

I have/had both LC80 and LC100s. Both of these fit 7 people with ease. It's not the most comfortable for adults in 3rd row but that seems to be universal.

2 - decent mpg

You're not wanting a LC.

4 - able to do mild to moderate trails
5 - 2" or 3" lift available without too many modifications

LC in stock form is one of the best. Mild lifts are ubiquitous and readily available.

7 - lockers or decent traction control device
8 - comfy enough for my wife (city girl who drives a Benz)

I've taken my unlocked FZJ80 further into the bush and on the rock crawling trails much more than most people take their locked rigs. LC80s obviously had the factory option, LC100s have either lockers or traction control in every year.

What year 100 Series is best?
80 Series is too small and the 6 cyl engine is too weak.

I find minor pros/cons to every year LC100. If you spend time in a lot of ice/snow I would recommend 2000+, if you want LATCH then 2001+. Any year from 98-07 are great.

80 is not that much smaller than the 100. The 100 edges out a little bit, but really not that much different. 6cyl (3FE & 1FZ-FE) is designed for 3rd world and IMNSHO is a better off-hwy engine than the 2UZ-FE.

Define too weak? To maintain above-average highway speeds uphill? Yes. To pull 7 people and all your gear across the world? No.

 

[Pskhaat]

I've heard this thrown around and certainly quite palpable IMO based on the experiences of many LC owners: Toyota designed the Land Cruiser around a 300K mile goal/design center for the Land Cruiser.

My understanding is that the world-market LCs are designed for 30 years and ~2,000,000 kms / ~1,200,000 miles with 3 engine rebuilds. I am not certain that the 2UZ-FE engine in the Hundies can be rebuilt 3 times, but the big point is that the LCs are designed for very grueling daily work and IMO show it in terms of longevity and reliability. Every component on an LC is huge in comparison to other like-classed vehicles.

 

[brentbba]

Car seats would be doable in the third row of an 80/100. Will your three older ones not kill each other in the 2nd row? :Wow1:

I've put three boy scout aged kids (11-17) in the 2nd row and two 'smaller' scouts in the 3rd row for trips and they were fine. Trip was 5+ hours each way. You'd have room for the two small ones to grow back there.

Trailer would be a necessity for all but essentials in the truck. Agreed that the 100 has much more towing power than an 80, but my little inline 6 80 tows a 4000 lb trailer just fine. I don't set any land speed records up steep grades and mileage sucks big time, but I get there! If you're just towing something small like an adventure trailer, m101/m416 type trailer don't limit yourself to just a 100 just because of towing. AdventureDuo tows an adventure trailer heavily equiped with an 80 w/o any issues at all.

Creature comforts in a 100 are more luxurious than an 80 for sure.

Access to the small ones in an emergency would not be the easiest, but that'd be true of any 3rd row seat.

IMHO, nothing beats Toyota quality. 15 years, 198K mileage and going strong.

 

[Pskhaat]

Access to the small ones in an emergency would not be the easiest, but that'd be true of any 3rd row seat.

FWIW, it is pretty easy to get those 6 and under in through the 3rd-row sliding windows vs. the Hundy that has no similar access.

 

[brentbba]

FWIW, it is pretty easy to get those 6 and under in through the 3rd-row sliding windows vs. the Hundy that has no similar access.

:hehe: I love it - thru the sliders! :wings:

 

[stevenmd]

Car seats would be doable in the third row of an 80/100. Will your three older ones not kill each other in the 2nd row? :Wow1:

I've put three boy scout aged kids (11-17) in the 2nd row and two 'smaller' scouts in the 3rd row for trips and they were fine. Trip was 5+ hours each way. You'd have room for the two small ones to grow back there.

Trailer would be a necessity for all but essentials in the truck. Agreed that the 100 has much more towing power than an 80, but my little inline 6 80 tows a 4000 lb trailer just fine. I don't set any land speed records up steep grades and mileage sucks big time, but I get there! If you're just towing something small like an adventure trailer, m101/m416 type trailer don't limit yourself to just a 100 just because of towing. AdventureDuo tows an adventure trailer heavily equiped with an 80 w/o any issues at all.

Creature comforts in a 100 are more luxurious than an 80 for sure.

Access to the small ones in an emergency would not be the easiest, but that'd be true of any 3rd row seat.

IMHO, nothing beats Toyota quality. 15 years, 198K mileage and going strong.

I would "throw" the 8 & 9 year olds in the 3rd row. Put the two in car seats and my 14 year old in the 2nd row.

An 80 would be cheaper... how much more "hip/butt" room does the 100 have over the 80 for the driver? I am a solid 225 at 6-1.

 

[brentbba]

I would "throw" the 8 & 9 year olds in the 3rd row. Put the two in car seats and my 14 year old in the 2nd row.

An 80 would be cheaper... how much more "hip/butt" room does the 100 have over the 80 for the driver? I am a solid 225 at 6-1.

One 'complaint' if you want to call it that is leg room in the 80. At 5'11" and 210, I'm fine. There's a guy on the mud board that has made extensions so the 80 DS seat will go farther back than originally designed. Those that have installed it like it very much. That's the leg room. No idea about the butt room. :Wow1: You'd have to sit in both to see.

Two guys over on mud that I consider good friends and cruiser lovers both come in well over 6' 1" and past 225 a LONG time ago - I think closer to 6'3 or 4" and 300 lbs - big men. They both drive 80's.

I love my 80 as much as Shotts loves his 100. (mud comment Shotts - don't take offense - none intended). They are both great trucks.

If you found a well loved 80 for a great price, I would't hesitate if you are looking at price as a big part of your decision, but you are going to get a cushier ride an more power with a 100.

 

[stevenmd]

I think I will test drive my bnl and sis's 80 and LX450 (respectively) tomorrow night. His brother has a 100 that I can test out.

Perhaps I might end up with a SMB!:drool:

 

[LandCruiserPhil]

Dont overlook the fact that the 100 series has rear air. The 80 AC is challenged to cool just the driver and front passenger here in AZ. I can only guess what it would be like trying to make 7 people comfortable in 100*+ temps. :Wow1:

In considering a 100 series I would only be looking at 2003+ due to the safety foe 7 people (side curtain and side air bags) 5 Speed trans and with the 2006's+ extra power driving one seems like seemless power.

SMB looking better all the time.:sombrero:

 

[stevenmd]

I drove the LX450 tonight. Yup, no way that truck works for me. With the driver's seat in position for me, my sons could not possible fit in the back seat comfortably. Does the 100 have more leg room for the second row than the 80 does?

 

[LandCruiserPhil]

I drove the LX450 tonight. Yup, no way that truck works for me. With the driver's seat in position for me, my sons could not possible fit in the back seat comfortably. Does the 100 have more leg room for the second row than the 80 does?

Not sure on the numbers on the leg room but the 100 feels like it has a little more. One nice advantage 100 has over the 80 as for the 2nd and 3rd row is they recline. Very nice for traveling.


SMB
SMB
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[dclee]

For the record, here are the specs according to Toyota (based on a '97 FZJ80 and an '04 UZJ100):

80 / 100:
headroom 1st row: 40.3" / 39.2"
headroom 2nd row: 39.7" / 39.1"
headroom 3rd row: 36.4" / 36.4"
shoulder room 1st row: 58.7" / 62.4"
shoulder room 2nd row: 58.7" / 61.2"
shoulder room 3rd row: 59.5" / 61.2"
hip room 1st row: 59.5" / 58.6"
hip room 2nd row: 59.5" / 57.9"
hip room 3rd row: 59.2" / 56.3"
leg room 1st row: 42.2" / 42.3"
leg room 2nd row: 33.6" / 34.3"
leg room 3rd row: 28.5" / 27.3"
overall height: 73.6" / 73.2"
overall width: 76.0" / 76.4"
overall length: 189.8" / 192.5"
wheelbase: 112.2" / 112.2"
track: 62.8F 63.0R / 63.8F 63.6R
approach angle: 33 degrees / 31 degrees
departure angle: 22 degrees / 24 degrees
minimum ground clearance: 10.8" / 9.8"
curb weight (w/ 3rd row seats): 4850 lbs. / 5390 lbs.
GVWR: 6470 lbs. / 6860 lbs.

 

[ShottsCruisers]

I drove the LX450 tonight. Yup, no way that truck works for me. With the driver's seat in position for me, my sons could not possible fit in the back seat comfortably. Does the 100 have more leg room for the second row than the 80 does?

Ignore the numbers and specs. Looking at them I can't determine where they position the seats when they take the measurements.

2nd row reality: :sombrero:

The 100 has MUCH more knee, leg, toe, and shoulder room compared to the LX450/80. That is the case even with the 100's front seats fully back. The seats are also more comfortable with more leg support. In others = YES, a notable difference!

Overall he 100 is much bigger despite the external vehicle specs. Close examination of the two reveal the differences.

The 100's BODY is much wider (disregard the width spec as that's at the mirrors). The body goes down an inch or so lower to the ground whch gains room. The body is taller and longer as well.

To me the 80 is a 4-seater at best and that's IF the front passengers move their seats up.

 

[discotdi]

Have I mentioned the LR3? It meets all your needs except it's not a TOY. plenty of room in the third row and second row. I am 6'3" and fit great in the front. I don't fit in an 80 LC. I owned one for a month very uncomfortable and the Check eng. light came on after about 2 weeks of ownership. dealer quoted $3000 for new cats. bye bye cruiser! only vehicle to ever leave me stranded on a road trip- 60 series cruiser, blown head gasket. luckily my wife was behind in our 1987 RR with 150k+ miles so we had wheels for the three day stop in MO.
but really the LR3 is a great option for you. You should check one out- 2006 models are priced right and are reliable.

 

[stevenmd]

Have I mentioned the LR3? It meets all your needs except it's not a TOY. plenty of room in the third row and second row. I am 6'3" and fit great in the front. I don't fit in an 80 LC. I owned one for a month very uncomfortable and the Check eng. light came on after about 2 weeks of ownership. dealer quoted $3000 for new cats. bye bye cruiser! only vehicle to ever leave me stranded on a road trip- 60 series cruiser, blown head gasket. luckily my wife was behind in our 1987 RR with 150k+ miles so we had wheels for the three day stop in MO.
but really the LR3 is a great option for you. You should check one out- 2006 models are priced right and are reliable.

I belong to the NCLR and quite a few of a our members have LR3's. I love landie but I do not love the electronics!