What to look for in Snorkels? Recommendations? Are there any for Liberty KKs yet???

enumclaw

New member
Been searching for info - read all the threads I could find on the subject. I undertstand they provide longer life to filters, and I do roam the Washington Cascades.....heavy rains and melting snow changes creek and small river levels quickly.

Have already been caught on the 'other side' of a crik after an overnight trip...had to wait about 14 hours for the levels to drop...family loved me for that....probably could have made it across, but a snorkel would have brought some insurance/assurance.
 

jeep-N-montero

Expedition Leader
If the water is high enough to need a snorkel on a stock Liberty, chances are you wouldn't make it across regardless, traction and clearance becomes an issue at this point and also the chance of being swept away due to increased flotation of the vehicle.
 

bob91yj

Resident **************
Not to mention transmission vents, differential vents and tcase vents along with a myriad of electrical connecters/components that need to be addressed to make deep water fording practical.
 

enumclaw

New member
are you saying this for Liberty or for all Jeeps?

Sounds like all jeeps should take off their snorkels? Sounds like we should stay out of water......or how deep is your recommended maximum depth?

Sounds like there is that much more to learn.....I don't plan on swimming - but if a creek gets to three feet or so - I want to make it home....I cross lots of creeks in these mountains.
 
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jeep-N-montero

Expedition Leader
Sounds like all jeeps should take off their snorkels? Sounds like we should stay out of water......or how deep is your recommended maximum depth?

Crawl under your car and see where the lowest sensor or vent tube is at, this becomes your "safe" water depth. I take it you are new to this type of car and saw someone with a snorkel and thought they were cool? Google "Jeep Liberty snorkel" and you will find all info pertinent to the topic.
 

enumclaw

New member
your a funny guy - you like to poke alot...diaper need changing?

Crawl under your car and see where the lowest sensor or vent tube is at, this becomes your "safe" water depth. I take it you are new to this type of car and saw someone with a snorkel and thought they were cool? Google "Jeep Liberty snorkel" and you will find all info pertinent to the topic.

No - Wasn't looking to get one because I saw one and thought it was cool. I spend alot of time with families who have extended experiance and have sold me on the benefits - some who just got back from a trip from Seattle to the southern tip of Chile and back; part of the local Overlanding society. Snorkels tend to extend filter life while on a trip; well shoot - there are several good reasons; but you know that...

Your last comment about Google was really useful! I will take a look at the vents and look more here - thanks for that direction!
 
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jeepdreamer

Expedition Leader
Easy...

I take it you are new to this type of car and saw someone with a snorkel and thought they were cool? QUOTE]

Dang Black.. go easy! Bad enough he got suckered into a unibody jeep! ;)

The truth is snorkels can seen as "poser" since so many have them but just want to look the part. The reality is they are but one part to a total package to making a jeep more water friendly. They also help with heavy dust areas. But I'll stay more towards the water for you..
military Jeeps (and military vehicles in general) are specifically designed to ford water crossings. But if you check out the link you'll see even that was a work in progress. One advantage the military has is most of their equipment is very spartan and simple. We don't have a lot of fancy sensors and our electronic ''junk'' is pretty waterproof. But as the civilian Jeeps progressed they have to keep up with modern saftey and emission standards. Also they have left thier more utilitarian roots for a more car-like package. And while I don't own a jeep newer than 91 currently... Even that is a far step from either my Scrambler or my 67 Commando. All things considered I feel you would have been better served going with the JK over the liberty but thats water under the bridge. Perhaps with some dedication, research, and effort you can make the Lib more trail and water friendly. Just be prepared to work for it. The Lib is very car like IMHO which makes a good way for jeep to sell to more people but less desireable for harder trails. It sits to low, has smallish wheel wells so tire size is limited, and doesn't offer much visability out the back. Plus the very car like interior doesn't bode well should you actually sink the thing past the door sills... lots of carpet and plastic stuff to trap water. While fancier than I can imagine, at least the current jeeps still maintain some level of water resistance inside. And while more work you can also remove the carpet to dry and clean everything.
The biggest thiongs to worry over with your jeep is water entering the engine (quality sealed snorkel) and drivetrain components (extending vent lines as mentioned) and then mud/water effect on electrical components. Playing in water and mud allows gunk to get places the engineers kinda hope it doesn't. Sure, most stuff under the hood or under the jeep is basically water resistant. But that is to the limit of about a deep puddle from a rainstorm. They don't engineer the jeep to swim anymore so they kinda hope you don't do it.
I wish I had better advice for specifically what you could do to make it work. Its just a fairly involved process of sealing everything and making it as water proof as possible. And don't forget that the exhaust should be extended as well... If you get stuck half way across and the snorkel brings in air the engine should run. But if that water backs up the exhaust the jeep may die. Then, as soon as you open the door to hook up a winch... woosh! In comes the stream. :( makes a bad deal worse...

http://www.cj3a.info/sibling/cjv35u/evolution.html
 

enumclaw

New member
Now that is feedback - FT. Bliss - is the Sargeant Major School still located there?

I take it you are new to this type of car and saw someone with a snorkel and thought they were cool? QUOTE]

Dang Black.. go easy! Bad enough he got suckered into a unibody jeep! ;)

The truth is snorkels can seen as "poser" since so many have them but just want to look the part. The reality is they are but one part to a total package to making a jeep more water friendly. They also help with heavy dust areas. But I'll stay more towards the water for you..
military Jeeps (and military vehicles in general) are specifically designed to ford water crossings. But if you check out the link you'll see even that was a work in progress. One advantage the military has is most of their equipment is very spartan and simple. We don't have a lot of fancy sensors and our electronic ''junk'' is pretty waterproof. But as the civilian Jeeps progressed they have to keep up with modern saftey and emission standards. Also they have left thier more utilitarian roots for a more car-like package. And while I don't own a jeep newer than 91 currently... Even that is a far step from either my Scrambler or my 67 Commando. All things considered I feel you would have been better served going with the JK over the liberty but thats water under the bridge. Perhaps with some dedication, research, and effort you can make the Lib more trail and water friendly. Just be prepared to work for it. The Lib is very car like IMHO which makes a good way for jeep to sell to more people but less desireable for harder trails. It sits to low, has smallish wheel wells so tire size is limited, and doesn't offer much visability out the back. Plus the very car like interior doesn't bode well should you actually sink the thing past the door sills... lots of carpet and plastic stuff to trap water. While fancier than I can imagine, at least the current jeeps still maintain some level of water resistance inside. And while more work you can also remove the carpet to dry and clean everything.
The biggest thiongs to worry over with your jeep is water entering the engine (quality sealed snorkel) and drivetrain components (extending vent lines as mentioned) and then mud/water effect on electrical components. Playing in water and mud allows gunk to get places the engineers kinda hope it doesn't. Sure, most stuff under the hood or under the jeep is basically water resistant. But that is to the limit of about a deep puddle from a rainstorm. They don't engineer the jeep to swim anymore so they kinda hope you don't do it.
I wish I had better advice for specifically what you could do to make it work. Its just a fairly involved process of sealing everything and making it as water proof as possible. And don't forget that the exhaust should be extended as well... If you get stuck half way across and the snorkel brings in air the engine should run. But if that water backs up the exhaust the jeep may die. Then, as soon as you open the door to hook up a winch... woosh! In comes the stream. :( makes a bad deal worse...

http://www.cj3a.info/sibling/cjv35u/evolution.html

Thanks for the good stuff - yeah - every forum has them, Jeepdreamer. Hope Black can take it as well.. And yes - the family/boat towing needs did get me a uniframe;^). And yes, I am trying to make the best of a situation - I will work with what I have. I see the potential and understand the limitations: and work with those.
 

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