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Two totally stock (except for sliders) 5th gen 4Rs ran the Rubicon successfully. Pretty good for minivans, right? :) Source: http://www.fourwheeler.com/vehicle-reviews/129-0912-2010-toyota-4runner-review-rubicon-trail/

Rear AC! Now that I think about it, the 3rd row 4Rs don't have rear AC. There are vents on the rear of the console and on the floor under the front bucket seats. If you're in the 3rd row of a 4R, there's pretty much no airflow getting to you. That's pretty lame.

Good question. My initial thought is that an 80 would be dedicated while the 4R could be a DD with its better fuel economy. Agreed about the older vehicle maintenance... I'll look into the GX. The 100 series just seems too big and heavy to me.

Ha! Would you really go that far in contrasting these two rigs? It seems people do almost all the same things in each. I intend to build it up as a reliable adventure rig that can get us from the South to places out West from Death Valley to Moab to Big Bend to the Denali Highway.

Thanks for the reply. Great looking truck! What all do you fit in the cargo area? Do you carry all your food, gear, tent, etc. in the back, or does some of it go up top on the factory rails? Are any of your kids in car seats in the second row?

Hello! First time poster here looking for some opinions. If you had three young kids (oldest being six), which of these would you choose to build for your expedition/adventure vehicle? I would love to NOT go with a full size domestic vehicle. Help convince me that's possible! Here's where I'm at...