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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    I suspect the CFO of JLR might have a different take on that outcome as they stare $8B in debt and stagnant sales in the face. While Evoque, a fashion statement, has sold well the question on the table is did that move to 'fashion' distract JLR from its core value proposition/s on Defender...
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    McGovern is not an engineer and I suspect he would be insulted to be called one. He is an 'architect'.
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    Land Rover design director Gerry McGovern’s Warwickshire home is a dazzling slice of LA modernism https://www.wallpaper.com/architecture/land-rover-design-director-gerry-mcgovern-countryside-home-la-modernism "........A key component of the brief was to showcase McGovern’s expansive collection...
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    ^This.
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    While the article speaks to Tesla and Jaguar, the same conclusions could be applied to Land Rover After Earnings Report, What Tesla Stock Investors Should Study From Jaguar’s History Book Jul 22, 2020 In the past month, Tesla TSLA +1.5%’s stock has been on a steady incline that rivals...
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    McGovern admits his crowning achievement is the Evoque, a fashion statement, and that the heritage of the Discovery product line (stepped roof/stadium seating/offset plate) resulted in a less than visually acceptable Discovery 5. Which is an off-handed way of saying the heritage of the Defender...
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    The progression of features from RR to LR has been a constant over decades. It makes perfect sense since RR is where the higher margins can be realized to pay for the R&D. JLR has already begun the move from mechanical design to EV/Electrical/IT with employee redundancies in the former and press...
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    For those new to Land Rover, simply look at the newest Range Rover to understand where the rest of the product line is going. Features are introduced on the RR and rolled out to other models over time. For the 2021RR: "..........The Range Rover continues to take the Land Rover brand’s legendary...
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    The new Luxury Defender does not have front locking diff. Only center and rear if optioned. Probably the same as the LR4 with the addition to override the terrain response system and manually lock them. In reality you could get there in the LR4 by selecting the appropriate terrain mode. The new...
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    I've got basically the same set-up as the new Defender with lockers, a HD LR4. The system depends on wheel spin, period. It's true of ALL electronic traction control systems. They are reverse ABS, a low cost way of implementing more traction over standard open diff but less than lockers...
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    One aspect that is glaringly obvious is the required wheel spin of electronic traction control systems and the resultant trail damage vs lockers. So much for "Tread Lightly" .......
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    Edmunds was a good overview. Nice to see them mention the International Scout. At least in Colorado Scouts were everywhere in the 70's and 80's. Yes, the new Bronco highlighted the disconnect at Land Rover with its past and likely nearly killed the new Luxury Defender.
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    In other JLR news ............... Hong Kong could have an impact on JLR China sales - Burberry and Jaguar Land Rover will face consumer boycott, China warns Another $1B in government support / debt being considered - Labour leader Keir Starmer: Jaguar Land Rover cannot be allowed to fail New...
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    Targeting the "international market" doesn't require you to ignore your customer base. I can't get over how the new Defender now looks like a Honda Element. I get that it is more capable but ...
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    Actually I think the Bronco release killed this discussion. The Bronco highlights what the Defender could have been. The ball is now in Grenadiers court.
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    New Defender stock search in the US?

    Quick check ..... Denver and Colorado Springs are First Edition I6's at $75K+. Premium models.
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    Anecdotally there is very little LR support outside the US coastal/high population areas. LR hardly exist in the upper midwest.
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    The auto industry support model is changing, really a discontinuity. To LR's credit they leveraged Blackberry's solution that is used by many, OTA updates and dual-banking of software/embedded systems. An exact copy of your vehicle variables and performance data is copied to the cloud for...
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    Except there is the Ineos Grendadier that is targeting global markets.
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    Post-covid and the exodus from urban areas, with a new emphasis on getting outdoors and with the recent competition from Ford and Ineos that highlights how 'root's matter, I predict Land Rover will attempt to move back to its roots with the new CEO. Land Rover cannot survive as a furniture...
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