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@faulco, yeah i guess the axles are indeed very nice, but it sounds like you compare the patrol to the Land Cruiser J9/12? Of course in this case the patrol will win any toughness competition. easy. but the lanc cruiser 7 series is a different animal, with a very big reputation. @ G_E_K_O...

Yeah that's what i heard too, but what about the frame? The Land Cruiser HD 70's got kinda small rails (145x55mm boxed) but pretty thick steel, 4mm! Well i think the HDJ 80 is at least the same size as a patrol, of course the 70 series is quite smaller, which might be beneficial in the mountains...

Hello, since the big U.S. trucks seem to be less and less interesting the more i look into the dimensions and the available parts, maybe the japanese trucks are worth a try. Problem is: The HD Land Cruisers are pretty rare over here, while the normal J9/J12 are probably not as tough as the...

Hello, yeah this document does indeed include a little bit more, but in case of the frame, there is only something about the profile beeing 215mm high in the front and 159 in the rear. The front is boxed, but middle and rear is not, but anyway, nothing about the widt or the thickness. The Ford...

Yeah i did, but there seems to be a gap. Up to 10.000lbs you have the G-wagon, above 30.000lbs you have the Zetros, Actros, Arocs but the Atego and pretty much any other trucks aroun 15-20.000lbs are normally not 4x4 and they are also not as massiv as the US Trucks within this weight class...

Well one problem for me is: There is quite little data about the ram. In case of the ford chassis cabs, there are these pdf which include anything important: https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/topics/2012/12_SD_ChassisCabs_SB.pdf Frame dimensions, axle specs, general dimensions etc. pretty...

Is there really such a big difference in quality between the two? Well the Cummins is big plus indeed, it is also quite interesting, that even Ford uses this Engine for the bigger F-650-750 trucks... And of course the Dodge frame has 50.000PSI steele, while ford uses 36.000 with just a double...

Hello, i am thinking about using on of those class 5 trucks as a bse vehicle for an expedition truck, but since both are quite rare in europe, i like some input first. Both look pretty equal at first sight, both have a quite small 7.000lbs front alxe, but a massive 13.000lbs rear, both...