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Many EVs don't take "hours" to go from 80% to 100%, or even from 0% to 100%. Just a few I googled quickly to get real numbers: Model S : 32 minutes from 0% to 80%, 32 minutes to go from 80% to 100% = 1:04 from 0-100%. Kia EV6 : 30 minutes from 0% to 80%, 25 minutes to go from 80% to 100% =...

A substantial number of current EVs can do 850 miles in a day, "with a recharge" of course. Perhaps you mean something more specific than what you wrote, but yes, many people are using EVs for longer trips.

The original example claim of “EVs weigh twice as much as ICE” was by me, and it was general, not truck specific. And trucks are basically the only time they ever come close. Cars are generally even closer in weight because they don’t put 200+ kWh batteries in them. EVs weighing twice as much as...

Nope. I don’t have to back off my point. Overgeneralizing outliers or old info as typical of EVs shows the problem of perception vs fact. My point has been the same all along: people should make specific pro/con comparisons considering their use case and specific vehicles and not listen to...

That is a fact, but it’s an outlier amongst EVs. My truck is 6080 lb. Another example of “this is a real thing, but there’s huge variation and the difference may not be as big as commonly believed.” If you’re comparing a work truck, non-hybrid half-ton to a Silverado EV with the biggest...

Obvious trolling.

Agreed, that's why I specified that some were false and some were exaggerated (not necessarily completely false). Many of the complaints about EVs, there is SOME truth to, or they WERE true, but it's reasonable to point out when complaints are exaggerated or out of date, while still noting that...

Yeah, we owned all EVs for a while, too. We do more long trips than most Americans, and it's been no issue over the last 5+ years. (Road trips in 2015 in a non-Tesla was a different story, but that's a lifetime ago in EVs) We switched back to all-ICE, for a while, not because of capability, but...

I said it's not as simple as "those things are true". Several of the things were not actually true, or were exaggerated versions of real concerns. People should weigh the pros and cons *accurately* to make the best decision for them. Depends. My wife just drove with her mom to a funeral, ~1200...

Exactly. You have the right use case (multi-car family and the ability to charge at home, like many Americans) and realize there are still obvious use cases for both gas and electric with a bunch of use cases in between that requires weighing pros and cons.

It's not "mental hoops" to say that public perception is not the same thing as facts. Just because a lot of people believe something doesn't make it true. There are innumerable examples of this. They do if they want to get where they're going as fast as possible. Charging to 100% is a...

I'm just trying to diplomatically point out that public perception is just that, a perception, and only loosely based on fact. So, public perception can be exaggerated, based on old information, based on misinformation, etc., positive or negative, pro-EV or anti-EV. I'm in agreement with what...

No, it's not anywhere near as simple as "those things are true." They're, at best, sometimes true, sometimes false, sometimes in-between. Highly dependent on several variables, but it's demonstrably true that the Lightning can be VERY competitive on price with similarly-equipped Pro/XL and XLT...

It's important we differentiate a couple things, here: -Buyer perceptions / timeline for EV adoption -Facts about EVs and EV Infrastructure As with all topics (even outside EVs), there's some level of disconnect between perceptions/preferences and facts. Perception can be worse than...

Yeah, when comparing base Lightning (Supercrew 4WD) vs the absolute cheapest gas Supercrew 4WD, the price is the same after tax credit : $47,500. If we compare a 2-door 2WD truck to a 4-door 4WD truck, yes, the 2-door 2WD truck is cheaper (!!!), but even when we compare a 2WD 2-door to a 4WD...

Not really true. There's a "work truck" trim Lightning Pro with vinyl floors in my garage right now. Ford won't let you custom order one this year unless you have a fleet account, but there are used and new ones available on cars.com. The Lightning Pro starts at $55k. After tax credit, that's...

Technically true, and available selection is for sure a big hurdle for EVs, still, but a $55k Lightning vs a $38k gas F-150 are two VERY different trucks. ~$55k, after available tax credit, is the base price for the Lightning XLT. That's a Supercrew 4x4 with 450hp/775ftlb, extra enclosed...

All 5 of my EVs have gotten their rated range in my overall use case (all miles, daily + trips), or better. They don't always get the rated (combined) range when driving on the interstate at 70+ mph. All met or exceeded the official charge rate/time as sold, too, but sometimes charging...

There are other factors, like you're mentioning, but basically, battery cells have a maximum C-rate. If a battery has a C-Rate of 2C, then a battery of 100kWh can charge at 200kW. Double that capacity to 200kWh and it can charge at 400kW. Maybe its 375kW due to other factors. Lots of ways to...

I agree that range and charge rate are more of a necessity than 3-second 0-60 times, especially for use cases like long distance towing, overlanding, etc. However, range/charge rate/performance are VERY closely linked. So, it's maybe less that performance is being "prioritized" than performance...