When the public sees 20 year old EVs with original paks, they will believe it about new EVs - but nobody keeps one that long except old guys like me because its the cheapest cash answer to keep transportation anyway we can.
Everybody else trades off their headache to move into a newer car to keep up with current fashion. And currently, the market has a lot of 45k EVs needing a pak worn out by fast charging. Those owners dont want to keep them longer to drive out their expense, same as an ICE vehicle.
They can go that far with a recharge, so pick that option.What the consumer is still waiting for are EV's that can go 850 miles in one day with a recharge or not.
Yes. Underiformed.Metro classifieds show lots of hybrids with miles. Nobody is saying they are bad, which is the point. A hybrid hides it well because it has a small ICE engine to keep going, that is where the issues lie. Those paks have set the curve for not lasting as long, the industry does include them in the overall category. A hybrid pak isn't much different than an EV, new ones are improved but having to publish articles to tell us that paks "are expected" to last 100,000 miles doesn't mean they do. Its not helping if replacing the pak in EV's is "dealer only." It's bad enough headlights on some models are that way, and as a former auto parts guy, it's was a very hard sell to tell a customer that.
What the consumer is still waiting for are EV's that can go 850 miles in one day with a recharge or not. Considering the lack of stations, and cutting off recharging at 85% to increase the availability of that port, we aren't seeing them being used for longer trips. It's no help showing a ICE generator as the only answer for tow truck operators to recharge them on the road. They charge for the 4 hour time, too. And hot charging reduces the battery life, same as it does for lead acid. I can't tell you how many times I dealt with owners who thought lead acid could be recharged in an hour, then demanded a warranty replacement when it would take 12 to properly do it. Policy is, we refused, especially with repeat abusers. The public is unfortunately underinformed on tech and required processes. With that general treatment of batteries common in the consumer public, EV's are likely to suffer and it will affect the battery life.
Metro classifieds show lots of hybrids with miles. Nobody is saying they are bad, which is the point. A hybrid hides it well because it has a small ICE engine to keep going, that is where the issues lie. Those paks have set the curve for not lasting as long, the industry does include them in the overall category. A hybrid pak isn't much different than an EV, new ones are improved but having to publish articles to tell us that paks "are expected" to last 100,000 miles doesn't mean they do. Its not helping if replacing the pak in EV's is "dealer only." It's bad enough headlights on some models are that way, and as a former auto parts guy, it's was a very hard sell to tell a customer that.
What the consumer is still waiting for are EV's that can go 850 miles in one day with a recharge or not. Considering the lack of stations, and cutting off recharging at 85% to increase the availability of that port, we aren't seeing them being used for longer trips. It's no help showing a ICE generator as the only answer for tow truck operators to recharge them on the road. They charge for the 4 hour time, too. And hot charging reduces the battery life, same as it does for lead acid. I can't tell you how many times I dealt with owners who thought lead acid could be recharged in an hour, then demanded a warranty replacement when it would take 12 to properly do it. Policy is, we refused, especially with repeat abusers. The public is unfortunately underinformed on tech and required processes. With that general treatment of batteries common in the consumer public, EV's are likely to suffer and it will affect the battery life.
How long? In 2017, researchers at Carnegie Mellon University (CMU) developed a simulation to predict hybrid battery damage based on usage conditions. In the team's worst-case scenario, a simple plug-in hybrid without battery cooling in a scorching area (Phoenix, AZ, was their test case) would still offer 80 percent of its battery capacity after seven years of abuse.
However, most hybrids these days have onboard battery cooling to help mitigate damaging temperatures. By CMU estimates, that feature extends a battery pack's life to 15 years, even if you're in Phoenix. Live somewhere more temperate, like San Francisco? Expect 18 years before your pack loses 20 percent of its capacity.
Still skeptical? Take solace in the 100,000-mile warranties that most hybrids carry on their packs. Toyota goes even further, with 10-year, 150,000-mile warranties on their packs.
From JD PowerSame article
The most recent Consumer Reports reliability findings show that hybrid cars, on average, come with 26 percent fewer issues than their gasoline-powered cousins.
Battery cost directly depends on whether the vehicle in question is a hybrid. Batteries for regular cars like Prius should be around $1,023-$1,235. This range includes the service cost for installation and the price of the part itself.
Keep in mind that the final sum will depend on three factors:
If you’re wondering just how often you should do it, there is no definite answer. On average, you should replace your Toyota’s battery every 8-10 years or 100,000-150,000 miles. However, it’s also possible your battery will last till you finally sell the car, but it’s best to be cautious and still look under the hood from time to time.
- The location where the service occurs
- Brand or type of battery used in your Prius
- The state where your vehicle is served
I got a reman transmission as well. Have to ask: is it cheaper than a new car, do I want a new payment (and excise tax and higher insurance), and, how long will the rest of the vehicle last.When the public sees 20 year old EVs with original paks, they will believe it about new EVs - but nobody keeps one that long except old guys like me because its the cheapest cash answer to keep transportation anyway we can.
Everybody else trades off their headache to move into a newer car to keep up with current fashion. And currently, the market has a lot of 45k EVs needing a pak worn out by fast charging. Those owners dont want to keep them longer to drive out their expense, same as an ICE vehicle.
And, yes, Im that guy getting a reman transmission because its my cheapest solution. Some other used truck would cost double. I know what Im getting into, i sold them and hybrid paks at an auto parts store. BTW, Im not anti solar or lithium, wear a solar since the 1990's and bought into two different brands of power tools. The tech works in small scale, we are at the early adopter phase in autos. That means high discretionary cash to buy into the tech.
With 40% of the money supply introduced in the last five years, a lot of us have dropped out of the game.
Metro classifieds show lots of hybrids with miles. Nobody is saying they are bad, which is the point. A hybrid hides it well because it has a small ICE engine to keep going, that is where the issues lie. Those paks have set the curve for not lasting as long, the industry does include them in the overall category. A hybrid pak isn't much different than an EV, new ones are improved but having to publish articles to tell us that paks "are expected" to last 100,000 miles doesn't mean they do. Its not helping if replacing the pak in EV's is "dealer only." It's bad enough headlights on some models are that way, and as a former auto parts guy, it's was a very hard sell to tell a customer that.
What the consumer is still waiting for are EV's that can go 850 miles in one day with a recharge or not. Considering the lack of stations, and cutting off recharging at 85% to increase the availability of that port, we aren't seeing them being used for longer trips. It's no help showing a ICE generator as the only answer for tow truck operators to recharge them on the road. They charge for the 4 hour time, too. And hot charging reduces the battery life, same as it does for lead acid. I can't tell you how many times I dealt with owners who thought lead acid could be recharged in an hour, then demanded a warranty replacement when it would take 12 to properly do it. Policy is, we refused, especially with repeat abusers. The public is unfortunately underinformed on tech and required processes. With that general treatment of batteries common in the consumer public, EV's are likely to suffer and it will affect the battery life.
They aren’t forgetting, once the charge rate starts to taper you leave. Charging on a long trip is a little bit of strategy if you need to make ground fast. The Cannonball run teams worked that out. If you are charging while you’re getting lunch or something let her eat. My 3 charges faster than BWW can deliver wingsWhen they say that the battery can be charged up to 80% in short order
they forget to tell you that the last 20% takes hours to get to.
When they say that the battery can be charged up to 80% in short order
they forget to tell you that the last 20% takes hours to get to.
What the consumer is still waiting for are EV's that can go 850 miles in one day with a recharge or not.
Considering the lack of stations, and cutting off recharging at 85% to increase the availability of that port, we aren't seeing them being used for longer trips.
When they say that the battery can be charged up to 80% in short order
they forget to tell you that the last 20% takes hours to get to.