03 Ford 4x4 Diesel Ambulance for sale

I stopped by and had a closer look today and took a few pics to share. The undercarriage has some rust, but it doesn't seem to be anything too serious. I went through some prone spots on the body and although there was some surface rust present nothing on the body was soft. It looks like it's had several coats of undercoating in its life.

I noticed a wet spot on what looks like the transmission pan so there must be a minor leak there. I included pics of all the tags for the company that did the 4x4 conversion, the ambulance conversion and also manufacturer of the four wheel drive system so I was hoping you guys would be able to tell me more about that.

I also took a couple videos of the undercarriage. Have a look and let me know what you think.

It turned out to be a 2004. I thought the seller had told me first that it was a 2003.

Thanks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k-M_af7PtQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWUBwXdxBoE

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Kaisen

Explorer
Quickly, it appeared to me from the beginning to have 2005-up axles, and now confirmed that the 4x4 conversion was done in 2007.
Just keep that in mind when buying replacement parts: different wheels (17", bolt pattern, bore, offset), brakes, bearings, joints, etc
Not that it's bad, I personally prefer the front coils in a stock Super Duty truck
But 4x4 Van guys typically prefer the front leafs, esp when running a lift and/or bigger tires

I wonder if it was an ambulance from 2004 to 2007, before the 4x4 conversion?
 
Good point about the replacement parts. I didn't think about that.

From what the guy told me it was an ambulance in Ontario when they purchased it.
 

Lucky j

Explorer
This looks like a Demers Mirage light.

All that was said is true about ambulance. But then again, some vehicules sleep inside waiting for a call (this can also be hard on rust because thet get washed a lot but don't necessarly dry completely). And no rust protection here since they get changed for new one every 200 000k. But we had issues with rear AC units and some parts from the ambu conversion are only available thru Demers in Beloeil QC.

Some paramedic are really respecting their vehicules. Some company owners even have speed limit policies.

Here now we are @ 130 km/hrs max on highway and 20 to 30 over anywhere else.

Here we had one for 200 000km, and no major isues with th 6 l and the 5 speed auto tran. But other service point had th swap new engine in.

This is food for tought and 4x4 conversion are sweet.
 

Off Duty

Adventurer
I used to say the same thing about old police cars; however, with most agencies today, and budgets being what they are, more care and maintenance are taken with the vehicles.

The same can be said for many medical transport companies, and most government fire rescue/ambulance companies (those that are left that is).

We have a couple of major players here in Fla., and I know that they have pretty strict maintenance schedules, as well as self imposed speed limits, etc.

Sure they idle a lot, and while that's not especially "good" for them, again the maintenance schedules, usually account for any deficits that may crop up.

Does the rig have a "Hobbs" meter?
If so, check the total engine hours. Compare them against the maintenance records as well.
This will tell you a good bit about the engine and it's previous "life."

Finally, just do a top flight inspection, or have a professional do it for you.
There are companies out there that will do a "survey" of a used vehicle, much the same as you would for a used boat.
It'll cost a couple hundred, but if they're reputable, the inspection should come with some sort of guarantee.

Finally, if you're comfortable with what you determine, go for it, with the understanding that you may in fact end up dropping some unexpected change into unforeseen problems.

Even then, you'll still end up with a unique machine, one that fits your needs, and something that you probably know more about than many others know about their own vehicles.

Regardless, enjoy!!
 

Off Duty

Adventurer
Thanks again...will check out the few things you guys suggested. What would be the best solution to get rid of all the roof lights??

I wouldn't get rid of them.
Convert them to clear (or amber) lights, and use them for setting up camp, off road use, and emergency lights.
 

firetruxntiothe

New member
This looks like a Demers Mirage light.

All that was said is true about ambulance. Some paramedic are really respecting their vehicules.

As a fire department fleet manager, I find my guys and gals take great care of their rigs. They take the responsibility that the truck is kept up right, that it is a life and death issue.

They are run hard, but built for it. I'd much rather have a squad with 200,000 fleet miles than a rental or service van with 100,000.
 

Off Duty

Adventurer
As a fire department fleet manager, I find my guys and gals take great care of their rigs. They take the responsibility that the truck is kept up right, that it is a life and death issue.

They are run hard, but built for it. I'd much rather have a squad with 200,000 fleet miles than a rental or service van with 100,000.


Amen!
And thanks for keeping them on the road safely!

SAR
 
Does the rig have a "Hobbs" meter?
If so, check the total engine hours. Compare them against the maintenance records as well.
This will tell you a good bit about the engine and it's previous "life."

Finally, just do a top flight inspection, or have a professional do it for you.

It doesn't have an hour meter so I don't have any way to determine the hours/km ratio. I'm going to stop by today and have a look at the maintenance records and find a shop that can run the advanced codes.
 
Alright here's the skinny on the maintenance. The picture below shows the maintenance done up to the end of 2011 and I had a look through the other, more current records he had. Noteable maintenance not shown on the photo:
EGR replace x2
EGR cooler replaced
Oil cooler replaced
AIT sensor replace
Injector control module replaced
New alternator
New batteries.

So this company has owned it since 2008, put 15,000km on it, replaced the EGR 3 times, replaced the turbo and a long list of other things. It sat idle each summer they've owned it because they only used it in the winter which can't really be that good for the vehicle. They also rented it to the Muskrat Falls site (huge hydroelectric project in Labrador) and they ended up having to get it towed 900km to get the EGR replaced.

This seems like a lot for the amount of use it had.

I've been relying on advice from you knowledgeable people on this forum....should I be running fast away form this thing??

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bknudtsen

Expedition Leader
At $7500 bucks for a 4x4 van, I would buy it delete the EGR Cooler and install a tuner. It seems like they have taken care of any issue that came up, and those are not cheap repairs either. Almost any 6.0 is going to have EGR issues eventually, will need the turbo cleaned, and oil cooler replaced. FICM issues are common as well, but it is usually only the power supply side of the FICM that fails, whereas the logic side is pretty reliable. I would be more concerned with the same mileage and no records or no repairs. I still think having a mechanic look at it and pull any codes is a good idea though.
 

Off Duty

Adventurer
I agree.
If everything checks out, it's going to be hard to argue with the price v. equipment.
Heck, you could probably gut the interior and sell it on flea-bay, craigslist or to some medical equipment company and make a few bucks (lol).


Maybe this will help:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/tow-rigs-trailers/1004510-can-6-0l-powerstroke-made-reliable.html

Posted by:michigander
Here is a direct copy and paste from something I wrote on another message board.

Why I bought a 6.0L diesel - A post for the haters

I'm fairly tired of all the mis-information regarding the 6.0L diesel. Here is my input.

I was a 7.3L guy through and through. I've had 6 of them, all with minor issues and only one with a major issue (dropped a valve). None of them were "trouble free" like people state. Every engine needs repairs, pure and simple. The plus side to the 7.3L, is most of those repairs are easy enough for a guy with good mechanical skill to do in his driveway.

Here is why I now own a 6.0L diesel and not a 7.3L.
I was on the hunt for a nice, clean 7.3L. The market for them is absolutely insane. In my opinion, they are way overpriced for what they are. A 2002 or 2003 rust free 7.3L crew cab, long bed, 4x4 with 150K miles will fetch about 16-17K dollars. That's ridiculous. I have driven a 2005+ coil sprung superduty many times and the ride is so much better than the <2003 superduty that it would make it tough to go back to the "old truck". Not to mention, the coil sprung front end makes the turning radius far better than the leaf springs. This is critical for towing. Keep in mind I won't compare a 2003-2004 6.0L in this post. 2003-2004 6.0L had a considerable amount of issues, combined with the leaf sprung front suspensions, and older front facia, do not make a very ideal combination.

So, I started reading about the 6.0L. There are 5 major complaints. Lets start off by saying the worst thing for a 6.0L is daily driving it empty 10-15 miles to work. If that is your daily routine for the truck, don't buy a 6.0L. If you are looking for a diesel that you can drive like you stole it and tow a ton, you'll like the 6.0L. For the record, I am pulling 21K (combined truck and trailer) with my truck and it is smother than my old 7.3L pulling 15K combined.
EGR plugging- The EGR cooler gets built up with carbon and doesn't flow correctly. It can also get plugged with sand from the coolant (see fix below). When it plugs, you run the risk of blowing head gaskets. If you tow a lot or push the truck, the EGR will remain cleaner than if the truck idles a lot. Again, the truck likes to be pushed hard. Many retailers have developed EGR delete kits, or bulletproof EGR coolers.
Oil/Coolant coolers – The oil is tied into the coolant system; the coolant helps cool the oil. There is a problem with the 6.0L having sand in the casting from the factory. The sand ends up blocking the oil cooler and oil temps spike out of control. This causes oil leaks, turbo issues and even coolant related issues due to lack of flow. The solution is fairly simple - Put a DIY coolant filter in place. A full kit is about $120, but some people claim to build them yourself for about $50 and after 5K-10K miles (and 3-4 filter changes) the sand will be 100% removed.
Turbo – The 6.0L has a variable vain turbo, unlike the 7.3L. A variable vane turbo can change the angle of the blades to maximize boost/efficiency. If the truck isn't pushed hard, the vanes won't travel their full path very often. If that happens, carbon gets built up in certain places between each vane. Once the turbo gets carbon built up inside it, the vanes can become stuck and you run the risk of overboost, and blowing the headgaskets. This seems to be most likely on 03-04 engines. Again, if you push the truck hard or tow with it, the turbo vanes will travel full sweeps to keep the turbo clean. If you drive the truck light, you have a higher chance of building up carbon. Ford eventually put in a "turbo dither" calibration that forced the vanes to travel a full path on shutdown to prevent carbon build-up. Turbo failures on post 2005 trucks are fairly rare (or the same rate as a 7.3L). If you have a 2003-2004 turbo, drive the truck like you stole it and you won't have this issue.
Headstuds – the head bolts aren't actually an issue themselves, the issue is when other parts fail (EGR and turbo) and stress the head bolts. The ARP headstuds should be put in to place just to protect the heads incase other parts fail.
Injectors- People complain about the 03 and 04 injectors failing. The injectors cost the same as 7.3L injectors, and once they are replaced, are fairly trouble free. Keep the oil changed and you should be fine. Again, 2005+ trucks tend to have less issues.

So… aftermarket companies like Sinister Diesel have developed kits that address a lot of these issues.
http://www.mkmcustoms.com/60powerstrokesolution.aspx
They will take care of the EGR, oil cooler, and headstuds. The kit is ~$1400 ($1800 with a tune, which can put you at 400hp and turns off the EGR OBD system to turn off your check engine light) and a shop will charge about 2500-3000 to install it (some cheaper).

So back to why I bought a 6.0L…. It is still very easy to find rust free (or close) 2005-2007 trucks with the 6.0L, and in a lot of cases, they are the same price as a rust free 2002 or 2003 7.3L. You can put $4400 into repairs/upgrades into a 2005-2007 6.0L and have a very reliable 400 hp, 675+ ft lb diesel that is quiet, comfortable, turns great, rides nice, doesn't pollute, etc. The 6.0L intake/exhaust/auto trans can support 500hp, so no worries there. Stock injectors can support 400 hp.
Or you can buy a rust free 7.3L and put $1500 into intake, exhaust, gauges and a tune and you might be able to squeeze out 300 hp/ 575 ft lbs from it. Anything more than that and you need injectors, oil pump, turbo, and a $3500 trans.

In my opinion, the 6.0L is one of the few engines that if you know what you are getting into prior to purchasing one, and you convince yourself you need to put $4500 into it right away (most people struggle with that), then you will be very happy with your purchase. The 2003-2004 6.0L made a very rocky road for the 2005-2007 6.0L trucks, which have far less issues.
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Thanks for the info. I'll see if I can find someone here in town that can do the advanced tests and let you know what the results are.
 
I haven't given up yet....I picked up the ambulance today and took it for a drive. I was impressed with the way it drove - fairly "smooth" for what it is. I could tell they maintained the vehicle very well and no major red flags came up when I was in it.

One problem is the air conditioning is blowing warm air. I guess it could be a simple recharge or something more major like a compressor.

I took it to the shop and got them to check the body and frame, which turned out fine, and they hooked up the scanner. Several codes were in the history so the tech cleared them and when he ran the scan again 2 codes turned up.

KOEO P1148 Generator #2. Apparently this is a common code for Fords to run even when everything is running fine??
KOER P0675 Glow Plug #5.
Power balance test turned out ok
RElative compression test turned out ok
Injector Electrical test turned out ok

Should I be concerned about any of this?

I'm about to make an offer on this unless you guys can give me a reason not to. Let me know what you think.

Thanks
 

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