2008 Frontier

Dave

Explorer
For those with the current generation of Frontier, what are some of your gripes with the truck itself? Real world gas mileage? Any chronic problems or complaints?

I'm going to test drive a four door Nismo tonight. They seem very competitive to the Tacoma TRD and seem to be priced a little lower. Personally, I like the look of the Frontier over the Tacoma
 

articulate

Expedition Leader
On the consumer end of things, the rear seat in the Crew Cab is inferior to that in the double cab Tacoma. Dash and trim work is mostly thin plastic, but that's the case in most vehicles today. Yeah, fuel mileage...eh. We're pretty heavy and average in the 16 mpg on the highway according to the ScanGuage II

For the trail side of things, this truck has the shortest upper A-arms of any IFS mid-size on the market. That means the front suspension doesn't travel as much as other trucks. However, you do have two choices of aftermarket upper control arms that are high quality.

I'm having difficulty getting used to the power distribution in low range; I'm not familiar with the terminology in this department though. All I know is that getting up steep hills leaves much to be desired. The truck has good high-speed power, so I presume that at low speeds (even in low range), you're not tapping into the ideal power bank.

What else do you want to know?
 

IceCap4runnerORP

Adventurer
Dave,

Let me first state that I am an owner of an Xterra rather than a Frontier but previous to purchasing my Xterra I evaluated both the Frontier and the Tacoma truck's as possible purchases. I feel they both have advantages in different areas and both are great trucks. Although I love my Nissan, if I was going to be purchasing a small pickup truck I would go with Toyota simply based on the large amount of aftermarket products available as compared to the offerings for the Frontier. Although there are plenty of people using their Frontiers for off-road (and it's a great product to do so with) it seems that many of the aftermarket companies produce products for on road performance primarily.

Good luck and have fun with your search.

Jeff

PS you probably have already but if you haven't you might want to check out http://www.clubfrontier.org
 
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Dave

Explorer
Thank you both for the replies. Aftermarket is not a major concern for me since this will stay, for the most part, stock. Maybe a small suspension upgrade down the road, but that's a ways off unless I am completely dissatisfied with the stock suspension. I test drove a new Tacoma TRD the other day and felt the suspension would suit me fine for a while, I'm hoping the same is true for the Nissan since I don't carry a lot of extra weight.

Mark, do you think the problems you're experiencing the lower speeds are due to the extra weight? I know in stock form, the Nissans are a little heavier, but I saw where someone broke down the weight to horsepower ratio for both the Frontier and the Tacoma, and they were pretty darn close to even.

How is visibility from the drivers seat both in every day driving and on the trail? One thing I noticed during the Tacoma test drive was that outward visibility seems to be a little less then ideal. I don't know if it's the bulging hood, small mirrors, or a lower seat position (combo??), but I definitely felt it was a little tough to see out. It almost felt cramped, even though when I looked around the cab, I didn't feel that way at all...just when looking out.

You said the rear seat is inferior? How so? Less comfortable, doesn't fold down? The back seat will be primarily occupied by two dogs but we would carry the occasional human or two back there.

With the thin interior plastic, does it seem like it will hold up? Does it scratch easily...or any easier then any other plastic interior?

This truck would be my every day vehicle, so it will be driven just about every day.
 

Bergger

Explorer
I have an 06 Xterra which has just about an identical interior as the Frontier. I also have an 03 Tacoma but have spent a decent amount of time in the newer ones as well. The plastic interior of the Nissans is nice but I think is definitely more prone to scratches than the Toyotas. I absolutely love our Xterra but it is stock and will remain so. Even so it is very capable off road. My only concern with the Xterra, and I believe the Frontiers have had some similar issues, is the strength of the rear differential. Some say they are weaker then say the Toyotas. Something to due with having to shave the gears in order to get the electric locker fit. From what I've read it sounds like they did not design the differential around the locker but took an existing diff and had to "force" the locker to fit it. I have only taken ours off road a few times and with the 6 speed manual it did outstanding. Hopefully the diff stays intact. I'm not sure if others on this site have had problems with Nissan diffs but there has been mention of some over on thenewx.org site. I don't know if its the diffs or just the way they are driving them. Anyway I think both trucks have good selling points. Nissan Frontier: the VQ40 engine is a beast, metal bed vs composite, fully boxed frame, sun roof option, usually a bit less expensive. Toyota Tacoma: overall reliability, slightly better interior fit/finish, better after market support.
 

madizell

Explorer
I now have just under 12,000 miles on the 2007 Frontier Nismo crewcab, purchased in September 2007. The engine takes some breaking in before you will start to see improvements in fuel economy. Don't rely on the on-board computer for this information, and verify the accuracy of your speedometer/odometer before relying on that as well, in determining fuel consumption. Corrected for odometer error at highway speeds, mine gets around 19 to 20 on the highway with a modest load (2 passengers, 2 medium dogs, suitcases for two for a month, and a Snugtop Super Sport top, which is not light.)

I have noticed that of my several vehicles, the Nismo is not the fastest in climbing the steep hills getting out of my subdivision in the hills NW of Prescott. While the engine makes excellent power for highway driving and loves to run 80 to 90, it does not make power down low, even with the 5 speed auto transmission.

I drove the truck to Michigan and back and found the seats comfortable for the entire trip. My wife says her side is not as comfortable as the driver seat due to less adjustability.

The OEM tires on the Nismo (in my case anyway) are Rugged Trail TA's, which are not truck tires at all. They are a good size, 265x75x16, but these are truly just radial car tires.

The front end was out of adjustment as delivered from the dealer.

The tire pressure monitoring system (TPMS) is a joke, but this is not really Nissan's fault. These devices are now mandated by the geniuses in Congress. Nissan uses Schrader-type devices in each tire, and mine trigger at 31.5 pounds. Placard pressure is 35, which is too high for an unloaded truck. Lowering pressures to achieve full tread contact drops the tires to 31 to 32 pounds, and the warning light comes on. Since it is built into the computer, it can't simply be removed. Unless you are one of those folks that drives off road with 35 pounds of air, you are going to be looking at the TPMS warning light all of the time, but this may also be an issue with Toyota.

I like having the factory locker, and frankly it works very well. I have done some narrow, twisty, extremely steep uphill forest roads in our area and did not have any tire slippage issues or driving issues. HOWEVER, the e-locker is a pain to engage and disengage because it is electrically actuated but won't engage unless the vehicle is in neutral and dead stop, in 4LO, and all major planets are properly aligned. If you are in a hurry to engage the locker, you are already in trouble. Engage this one well ahead of the need, and leave it engaged until you are back to level ground. I find that the locker, and low range, WILL NOT engage just sitting still. So, you have to stop, put the vehicle in neutral, hold the brakes, engage lo and the locker, wait 10 seconds, engage drive and move forward or back 10 feet. Then, most of the time, all the lights stabilize and the locker engages. On the other hand, once engaged it does its job and is quiet doing it. I do not notice any banging or ratcheting going around corners.

The fog lights on the Nismo actually work. I was pleasantly surprised at the light they afford, especially for cornering on dark twisty roads and off road at night.

The spray-in bed lining is nicely done, but not the brand I would have chosen. It is a bit hard and slick, in spite of the texture of the spray. The structural stamping in the bed floor is deep. It kills my old knees getting in and out of the bed with the Snugtop shell.

Even the upgraded stereo is no better than your better Wal-Mart in dash stereo system. I would save your money in this area and buy an aftermarket stereo.

You can only get the sun roof if you get the doofy roof rack. Some may like this rack. I don't. It is attached to the roof sheet metal with expanding rivets and these will work loose over time if you carry a load on the rack and flex the body. You can't really fix this, plus it leaves holes in the roof that are going to leak one of these days. Even though I wanted the sun roof, I avoided the option to avoid the rack, and the look of the truck with the Snugtop and no roof rack is, in my opinion, very nice.

The service folks at the local Nissan dealership are not well versed in their product, and knew literally nothing about the TPMS system the first and only time I went in to the dealer to inquire about the warning light. The service writer suggested that I run the tires up to 40psi and leave them there. No thanks. That leaves me with around 60 percent of the tread in contact with the road, and is a dangerous way to drive. The service person should have known that. Nissan has been totally unresponsive on the question of the TPMS.

Visibility out the front and sides is okay for off road use. Not great, but okay. I have not driven a Toyota to compare, but there is at least no hood bulge to deal with.

The interior is just fine. The dogs have not as yet managed to scratch it or damage the fabric.

So far I like the vehicle, and I would give it a 4 out of 5 rating for general or daily use, always remembering that it is a truck, not a car, and it drives like a truck.
 
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articulate

Expedition Leader
madizell said:
The tire pressure monitoring system (TPMS) is a joke . . .

You can only get the sun roof if you get the doofy roof rack . . .

Visibility out the front and sides is okay for off road use. Not great, but okay . . .
We share just about the same impressions.

Greg, are you sure about that sun roof bit, though? We have a sun roof with no rack and were assured by the sales guy that we couldn't have both rack and sun roof. Maybe things have changed since 2005.

Visibility, yes, is decent. My brother has an '07 Taco and has driven our Frontier, perhaps he could give his opinion on how they compare in the visibility department. I feel like I sit lower in his Tacoma. We've talked about putting in a one-inch "seat lift."

Ah, as for the rear seats: the Tacoma has more leg room and a better obtuse angle to the seat backs. More comfy than the Frontier by a long shot. I think the Taco is wider on the inside, too (if you're laughing, you have a sick mind....let's hang out) The Frontier's back seats fold down and/or up and are split 2/3 passenger to 1/3 driver (does that make sense?).

The reported rear differential issue is pretty well isolated to the NISMO packages. The SE package with the automatic transmission has the C200 axle, whereas the NISMOs have some kind of "Frankensteined" Dana 44. I understand, though, that the SE with the manual transmission sports the same axle as the NISMO, yet without the locker. Even though lockers are pretty cool, we forfeited the NISMO package to save a few thousand bucks. I'm usually not sorry I did that; most days of the week. :) It certainly doesn't make the difference between a good trip and a bad trip.

Get rid of the factory tires as soon as possible, too.
 

Dave

Explorer
Drove it home last night. It's a base NISMO, so no tire monitoring, no sun roof, no rack. About the only extra it has besides the locker and shocks is a bed extender...which I would have happily deleted if they would have let me. Yes, the interior is less refined then the Tacoma, the inside is a little tighter (I was laughing...first round is on me), and I think the truck's stance is lower but the seating position feels more "truck like".

I never thought of my 2002 Tacoma as a slouch, but I the first time I punched the Frontier getting on the interstate last night...woah! It's not a race car, but it feels like it will get up and go when the need arises.

Tires are on the list and I need to add a hitch and pigtail. I'll probably keep the factory tires until spring or summer, might as well get some mundane pavement wear out of them since I paid for them.

Overall, I'm happy with it so far.
 

stevet47

Member
Dave said:
Drove it home last night. It's a base NISMO, so no tire monitoring, no sun roof, no rack. About the only extra it has besides the locker and shocks is a bed extender...which I would have happily deleted if they would have let me. Yes, the interior is less refined then the Tacoma, the inside is a little tighter (I was laughing...first round is on me), and I think the truck's stance is lower but the seating position feels more "truck like".

I never thought of my 2002 Tacoma as a slouch, but I the first time I punched the Frontier getting on the interstate last night...woah! It's not a race car, but it feels like it will get up and go when the need arises.

Tires are on the list and I need to add a hitch and pigtail. I'll probably keep the factory tires until spring or summer, might as well get some mundane pavement wear out of them since I paid for them.

Overall, I'm happy with it so far.

Did you get the utili-track in the bed? That is the one feature I could not live without. But regardless, you'll love the truck! Congrats on the purchase!
 

madizell

Explorer
Dave said:
It's a base NISMO, so no tire monitoring.

Check the build list. I think you will find that the TPMS is not an option, but rather is required equipment. You won't have paid extra for it, if that is what you are thinking. Check the instrument display with key on/engine off and see if there is a warning light in the upper left quadrant, a gismo with an exclamation mark in it in yellow. That's the TPMS warning light. According to the law which initiated this silliness, all autos and light trucks were to be so equipment starting with the 2008 lineup. For 2007 something like 60 or 70 percent of the product line had to be equipped.

Regarding the roof rack/sun roof combo, for the 2007 year the items were only offered together. In earlier years perhaps they were separate options. Who knows, maybe they were not selling enough of the roof racks so they tied them together with something that was selling. On the Xterra, they tend to blend into the roof line at least, but on the Frontier, they look dumb in my opinion. Mostly, I didn't want something riveted to the roof without inside attach points or substantial reinforcements.

I failed to mention earlier about the Bilstien shocks that are part of the Nismo package. I think they are too stiff for the job, and when I replace the tires, I will find real shocks as well. The Nismo package intentionally stiffens the ride because of the misconception that a stiffer riding truck must necessarily handle better. Of course, this is not so. Oddly, the salesman offered to sell me a standard Frontier that they had on the lot, and he would install the "Nismo" shocks. I declined in favor of locating a vehicle that met my needs, which they did.

Another thing I didn't mention earlier is the cooling system. I have yet to see my Frontier even start to overheat. Driving up I-17 past Black Canyon where the signs warn you to turn off your air conditioning, I have motored up that 7 to 10 miles stretch of grade, air conditioner full on, and running uphill at 75 with the cruise control set, passing folks left and right, all without the slightest increase in temperature. I have to say that's a plus.
 

Dave

Explorer
madizell said:
Check the build list. I think you will find that the TPMS is not an option, but rather is required equipment.

You are correct. I looked at the sheet yesterday and noticed TPMS is listed.

madizell said:
I failed to mention earlier about the Bilstien shocks that are part of the Nismo package. I think they are too stiff for the job, and when I replace the tires, I will find real shocks as well. The Nismo package intentionally stiffens the ride because of the misconception that a stiffer riding truck must necessarily handle better. Of course, this is not so. Oddly, the salesman offered to sell me a standard Frontier that they had on the lot, and he would install the "Nismo" shocks. I declined in favor of locating a vehicle that met my needs, which they did.

Do you feel they are too stiff for normal day to day driving or for dirt roads/trail use? Personally, I like how it handles and rides on paved roads. One of the reasons I replaced the TRD suspension on my Tacoma was I felt like it was too soft both on roads and off road. My limited experience with the Frontier so far, at least on road, is that the suspension rides and handles a lot like my Tacoma did with the Old Man Emu suspension. That's a good thing for me. Of course, I've yet to load the Frontier with any weight yet, so my opinion could change...
 

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