2008 Frontier

madizell

Explorer
Probably a personal preference thing. I think the spring rates are probably fine, but the dampening rates are wrong for the application, both on the road and off. Particularly on the road, the suspension transmits small bumps, such as pavement joints. Partly this is due to the high pressure needed in the tires to avoid the warning light, partly due to the shocks having too high a rate.

My CJ-7 has coilover shocks with remote reservoirs in the front, and a longarm conversion. The spring rates are not high for a vehicle as heavy as this Jeep is, but the ride is great. Based only on transmitted bumps, the Jeep rides better than the Frontier, and the Jeep has 37" Boggers. So I think there is room for improvement on the Frontier I will be looking into a coilover suspension for the Nissan to see if that will improve ride and handling. As it stands, I rarely use more than 50 percent of the available travel, even when off road. I would rather have more access to available travel (without having to drive fast and beat on the truck), which requires cycling the suspension over a greater range in roughly the same amount of time (faster cycling). This generally equates to a softer feeling ride.

Otherwise, I think the handling is fine for a small truck. Steering force is a bit high (underboost on the power assist), again a personal preference thing and perhaps intended to give the impression that the handling is taught rather than floaty.

I have not tried airing down for off road, mostly as I don't yet have onboard air to reinflate the tires on the trail. Highway pressures used off road will obviously affect how the truck feels, but by now I would hope I can tell the difference between hard tires and a stiff suspension.

If you want to run lower pressures in the tires and don't want to see the warning light constantly, try setting the tires at, say 32 pounds, but do it at night when the air temps are the coldest that they will be, and after the tires have achieved ambient temp. Thereafter, higher daytime temps and temps elevated due to driving should keep the pressure in the tires above the trigger point on the sensors. I just hate to have to fool around like this, just to avoid an idiot light that tells me nothing of value.
 

dennisuello

Adventurer
You made a good choice. Nissans rule and with slipping overall Toyota quality, Toyotas don't have that reliability advantage. Price is a huge Nissan advantage. When I bought my old 2006 Frontier, I shopped for Tacomas as well. I paid 4-5k less for similarly equipped Frontier.
 

mcm4090

Explorer
stevet47 said:
Did you get the utili-track in the bed? That is the one feature I could not live without. But regardless, you'll love the truck! Congrats on the purchase!
X2. The real bed, the utili-track system, and the box frame are some of the things you will learn to love about this truck.
 

Dave

Explorer
I was flipping through my manual and saw that it calls for 91 octane fuel. Do you all run the higher octane? Regular around here is 87...
 

hattrik21

Adventurer
xterraoffroad said:
I've never run anything other than 87 octane in my Xterra, no knocking or lagging. I will check my manual out of curiosity.

Same here, I've even run 85 with no knocking.
 

madizell

Explorer
I run premium for two reasons: 1) the engine performs better and the degree to which it performs better is reflected in fuel economy; and 2) I can afford it. I don't think that it hurts to run lesser grades of fuel, ignition timing being the principal reason one grade is recommended over another. Modern electronic autos can adapt timing to needs by advancing and retarding spark, and by avoiding knock. Unlike engines of 30 years ago which could not directly adapt to engine knock, we no longer need to tailor spark and fuel. However, I record each fuel purchase for each vehicle I own, and have been doing so since 1971. In any given vehicle, fuel economy increases about one to two miles per gallon over time when higher grade fuel is used, assuming that the vehicle used is electronically controlled and can adapt to and use the benefits of the higher grade fuel. Higher octane fuel has flash suppressants in it which slow the flame spread rate, which reduces tendency to knock and allows the vehicle to use a more advanced spark, which in turn produces slightly higher power for a given throttle setting. Because a bit more power is available, a bit less throttle is needed. If your driving style is consistent, you will realize an increase in fuel economy by using the fuel the vehicle is rated for.
 

Dave

Explorer
Finally thought to get a picture when I was unloading a deep freeze today...

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IceCap4runnerORP

Adventurer
Since the conversation we had concerning octane I have been using the Mid-Grade octane rather then the Regular. I'm now at 7,000 miles and I'm going to calculate mpg and see how it's faring.

BTW, I like that Snug Top, looks like a good fit.
 

Dave

Explorer
I've been using 93 octane for the last couple of weeks, but my mpg is slightly skewed because it's been cold here lately. I've been letting the truck warm up for about 10 minutes every morning before leaving for work, not good for gas mileage.

Weekend before last we drove down to our duck woods, mostly rural interstate for around 180 miles (70+ mph). We averaged around 17 mpg. Two people, one dog, and the bed full of decoys. Coming home, we drove into a stiff head wind most of the way and averaged closer to 15 mpg. That trip was on 93 octane.
 

madizell

Explorer
In most locations, winter fuel is "oxygenated" with ethanol, rather than the summer ingredient MTBE, methyl tertiary butyl ether. Both serve similar functions and raise the octane rating of gasoline, but ethanol provides far less energy than simple gasoline, and less energy than gas with MTBE. If you are running gasoline with ethanol, you can expect your mileage to fall off a bit.

Also, don't rely on the trip computer to tell you your mileage. It is based on injector pulse width algorithms that provide only an estimate of actual fuel consumption, not to mention that the odometer may not be accurate. Mine is off by several percent (as in nearly 10 percent short), which I have verified with DOT measured mile markers as well as with the GPS. Corrected for error, I usually get around 19mpg, but this will fall off during the winter months. Driving conditions have an obvious effect on mileage.
 

Dave

Explorer
All of our gas has "up to 10% ethanol" or so the disclaimer on all of the pumps claim. I couldn't tell you how one station's blend differs from the next or how the blends differ between warm seasons and cold seasons.

I did check the MPG by hand and it was surprisingly close to what the the dash reports. Verified odometer and speedometer against my GPS and highway markers, the difference is negligible.

Off topic, but on the ethanol percentage topic, I always thought it was strange that all of our gas here in St. Louis metro could contain up to 10% ethanol but at my parents house in SW Missouri they have a station that sells E10 regular at a lower price then their regular regular.
 

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