2017 Ford Raptor details emerge

[haven]

Ford says the 2017 Raptor will be powered by a 3.5L gas turbo V6 that produces 375 horsepower and a 470 pounds-feet of torque. Yikes! The V6 will be connected to a 10 speed transmission. No payload capacity has been released for the new Raptor. Let's hope it's a little more than the 1200 lb of the old truck.

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2016/07/fords-new-ecoboost-35-liter-v-6-offers-monster-torque.html

 

[OCD Overland]

Those numbers are actually for the standard F150, so that article is a bit messed up. I'm sure Mike Levine will straighten them out pronto. The Raptor will get the high output version, likely north of 450hp and 550lb-ft of torque, but nothing official yet.

So yes, it will be a beast.

The towing and payload capacity of the original were limited by the soft suspension, so I'm not sure how much that will change. Though maybe they've been able to tweak the spring rates to help. Being 500lbs lighter than the old truck will help of course.

btw, Levine did a pretty thorough walkthrough of the truck with 4wheeler magazine a few days ago - lots of good info in the video...

https://www.facebook.com/fourwheelermag/videos/vb.115917557345/10154280966267346/?type=2&theater

 

[haven]

Thanks for the correction. So 470 ft lb is the torque rating for the standard V6? Wow!

Chrysler has a Ram 1500 equipped with the Hellcat supercharged V8, rated at 700 hp, 650 ft lb. But the Hellcat is a specialty vehicle, bound to be very expensive.

 

[OCD Overland]

There are tuners that will do 700hp Fords, but honestly, I'm not sure what you'd do with that power in a truck besides spin tires.

I'm very curious how they'll price the Raptor - it's at the top of my list for a new vehicle. Actually, it is my list.

Supposedly Ford also is putting the Land Rover Td6 into the F150 for the 2018 model, so they'll have a nice lineup all around.

 

[thethePete]

Thanks for the correction. So 470 ft lb is the torque rating for the standard V6? Wow!

Chrysler has a Ram 1500 equipped with the Hellcat supercharged V8, rated at 700 hp, 650 ft lb. But the Hellcat is a specialty vehicle, bound to be very expensive.

Fun-fact, the V6EB gas engine produces more torque, lower, than the Dodge Ecodiesel. Puts it at the top of its segment, from what I understand. They really are an animal; we have some timing chain issues with them, and the earlier ones had some turbo failures, but the engine has been around long enough; I can actually only think of one complete engine failure in the last year in a 3.5EB and it had been sandblasted internally, so not really a fault of the engine.

Only problem is that they'll never hit their advertised numbers if you actually work them to any degree. 470lb/ft of torque still requires the same amount of air and fuel no matter what the engine.

I'm really interested to see how the 10-spd trans plays into economy and seat of the pants power feel. Hopefully the dual fuel system will help with the valve coking that all DI engines suffer from (Ford seems to be having better luck with that than other manufacturers, but it's a reality of DI engines), and not create more problems. I have visions of switching issues between the two systems. Time will tell.

 

[IdaSHO]

Yep, the new EB engines are pretty legit.

Add a tuner, and they are animals.

A tuned AWD Taurus SHO with a few bolt-ons is a deep 12 second car, with a 0-60 in less than 4 seconds :ylsmoke:

Not bad for a 4500lb+ car

 

[haven]

https://youtu.be/GqvYcC6-568

And here's a look at the improved suspension of the 2017 Raptor, in a desert habitat.

 

[haven]

http://www.fordraptorforum.com/f261...aptor-450hp-510lb-ft-torque-49815/index3.html

Someone posted photos of a Ford internal document that says the 3.5L Ecoboost motor in the new Raptor will have 450 hp and 510 ft lb, and be able to tow 8000 lb. No word on cargo capacity.

 

[OCD Overland]

Someone posted a payload sticker a few weeks back...

It's really odd that they'd reduce it from the 1170 lbs of the 1st Gen, especially given that the truck is around 300 lbs lighter, all in the body. Maybe a bit softer springs because of the increased travel in the back.

Regardless, if you're going to have much of a load back there then swapping out the rear springs with Deavers is probably the way to go.

 

[Trophycummins]

What if you left stock springs and added timbrens for load... Best of both worlds?

A 14" travel timbren? Unless you set it up with a cradle, but that brings about its own issues.


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[OCD Overland]

For the old raptor, you could get a set of extended bump stops from Fox that acted like air bags. The problem, apart from being pricey, is I think that they required nitrogen so it wouldn't be something you could easily adjust when you were out like you can regular air bags.

 

[haven]

Journalists got a chance to test drive the new aluminum body, Ecoboost-powered Raptor this past weekend at Anza Borrego State Park east of San Diego. Expect to see lots of glowing reports on the usual blogs this week.

Here's an early post
http://www.tfltruck.com/2016/12/201...h-and-first-drive-on-road-review-part-1-of-2/

here's another
http://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/taking-the-2017-ford-raptor-off-road-is-like-driving-wi-1789711290

 

[OCD Overland]

New sport - Speed Overlanding...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NamsxHCS4TU

 

[2025 deleted member]

Good idea... Like the 2017 power wagon.. both companies are designing vehicles for off-road that have a great deal of articulation and clearance.. but low payloads.. so it would be great to have a solution that allows you to have the best of all worlds when you wanted... Clearance, articulation and payload...

They should make the power wagon in a 1 ton version with rear leaves. You'd give up a little rear articulation, but gain a ton of payload.

 

[Big50]

These trucks can pretty much handle as much payload as you would need for overlanding. You're probably going to want upgraded to a solid progressive spring but you can carry anything you could need for overlanding. I say this from a lot of experience and trips with guys like the below. Truck is setup with literally everything and was able to keep up just fine with us on our camping trip. Could it have performed better without all the weigh? Yes. But that's not the point - the truck is packed with everything you could possibly need for an extended overlanding expedition while still likely being able to outrun most overlanding rigs. I personally think the Raptor is an ideal truck for Overlanding.

You definitely want to take your time and enjoy the scenery. But at the same time if you can cover ground offroad faster than you're also going to see more.

Overlanding mods include:

2 fridges
james baroud RTT
shower
foxwing awning - not sure of the brand
plus an assortment of other goodies that I can't remember.

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