(4) ICOM IC-4008m TRANSCEIVERS
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SunTzuNephew
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They're in the federal UHF low band, a license is not required...however transmitting on those frequencies is limited in the US to federal agencies, so technically its unlawful to use them.
FRS radios transmit on frequencies around 460 Mhz, and these radios are not economically modifiable to those frequencies.
OTOH, the odds of ever getting caught using them are pretty low.
So unless you are a Fed, if you get caught transmitting or possibly even owning these radios you are in deep doo-doo, no matter how low the odds are of getting caught. I suspect that even offering these for sale is possibly illegal. You should pull your ad before you or a potential buyer get into serious trouble.
ruditron
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they were designed for military use at the squad level. they haven't been used for years marine corps has turned to other radios. these radios are legally bought and sold all the time. there is no license requirment. they only issue i would see is if you took it to like afganistan and for some reason a unit still had them... if anyone has some solid info on these being legitimately not legal for sale or possession please let me know. i came by these from a friend
SunTzuNephew
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Show me where in the FCC regs (which specify the modes, frequencies, and purposes that radio frequencies can be used by civilians in the US) that the frequencies they operate on is legal for civilian communications (hint, it's not). The band is restricted to government use and control via not the FCC, but the National Telecommunications and Information Agency (NTIA) an agency of the US Department of Commerce, a coordinating group that coordinates....wait for it....US Government communications frequencies. Here are the NTIA rules, published in the "Redbook"
ruditron
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interesting i looked through all the frequency restrictions and haven't found any on that Frequency range?
do you have a reference where it states those frequencies can not be used?
not looking to be talked to like an idiot BTW just looking for info i don't know much about these...maybe i should just burn them
do you have a reference where it states those frequencies can not be used?
not looking to be talked to like an idiot BTW just looking for info i don't know much about these...maybe i should just burn them
Marketing hyperbole really gets my goat. (WRT the spec sheet linked in above)
OK, I'll buy that. Water jets sprayed from all sides for three minutes with no adverse affects. Cool. That's quantifiable. The modern equivalent is IP-x5 water ingress rating. Be nice to know if it was tested operational or non-operational, though.
However,
means absolutely nothing without knowing what test conditions they used. Mil_Std 810 (not MIL SPEC 810, BTW) testing has to be tailored for target environments and transportation scenarios.
Oh, and Mil_Std 810 E superseded D which superseded C, so saying it passes C, D, and E is redundant. They're up to G now.
Sorry for the hijack. And nothing against these radios, this is just me venting about marketing claims industry wide.
WRT freq, allocation, one thing I know for sure. If you hear someone else using the freq., you'd better not interfere.
That would be a good way to have the Feds come looking for you. :0
OK, I'll buy that. Water jets sprayed from all sides for three minutes with no adverse affects. Cool. That's quantifiable. The modern equivalent is IP-x5 water ingress rating. Be nice to know if it was tested operational or non-operational, though.
However,
means absolutely nothing without knowing what test conditions they used. Mil_Std 810 (not MIL SPEC 810, BTW) testing has to be tailored for target environments and transportation scenarios.
Oh, and Mil_Std 810 E superseded D which superseded C, so saying it passes C, D, and E is redundant. They're up to G now.
Sorry for the hijack. And nothing against these radios, this is just me venting about marketing claims industry wide.
WRT freq, allocation, one thing I know for sure. If you hear someone else using the freq., you'd better not interfere.
That would be a good way to have the Feds come looking for you. :0
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SunTzuNephew
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Frequencies are licensed permissively in the US: In order for anyone (government or civilian, military or ham) to use them there has to be an authorization somewhere.
For civilian (non-federal governmental use) the FCC says what frequencies can be used: Not which ones can't be. For example, the FRS frequencies are authorized in part 95 subpart B of the FCC's rules (btw, 95.194 says
)
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2009-title47-vol5/pdf/CFR-2009-title47-vol5-part95.pdf
Now, as I said the odds of getting caught are pretty small (btw, those frequencies are used as itinerant UHF radio frequencies by various federal agencies, much as MURS or GMRS is available for civilians) and I'm not the FCC junior swat team leader. But, know what you're getting into with those radios.
You hope you get a PM from someone who doesn't care. :victory:
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ruditron
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I don't really care, and I want them. It's just bad timing.
:sombrero:...........
Well i dont wanna be that guy, ya know but we'll see ill have to talk to my uncle he's a crazy HAM guy, maybe he has some wisdom, or money.