80 Series Questions

musicmaan

Observer
Hey guys, I'm currently a Tacoma driver, but am considering selling to buy a 40th Aniversary Landcruiser that I've had my eye on for a while. What I would like to know is what to look out for when buying one and weather or not the 80 platform is a good daily driver, as it may well be that I keep the Taco and wifey can have the Landy.

thanx,

MM
 

Angel?

Adventurer
musicmaan said:
Hey guys, I'm currently a Tacoma driver, but am considering selling to buy a 40th Aniversary Landcruiser that I've had my eye on for a while. What I would like to know is what to look out for when buying one and weather or not the 80 platform is a good daily driver, as it may well be that I keep the Taco and wifey can have the Landy.

thanx,

MM

MM,

Checkout the IH8MUD.com 80 Series Forum FAQ (frequently asked questions) over at http://forum.ih8mud.com/80-series-t...d-benos-drivetrain-troubleshooting-links.html This link will answer a great number of questions you are likely to have about the 80. There are a number of us refugees from over there that lurk here.

I use mine as a daily. Others do also, as others don't. Appears the more "built" they becomes for serious crawling, the less likely they will remain a daily. Just like any other rig. That and, oh, it does unfortunately use a bit of gas.

Cheers,
Cal
 

Brian894x4

Explorer
I second I8hmud.com.

Back in the day...like the year before last....I could talk all day about Toyota mini-trucks, but knew virtualy nothing about the 80 series, except that I wanted one. I learned so much so quickly and it was mostly thanks to that website.

Slee's FAQ on purchasing an 80 is a great start...

http://www.sleeoffroad.com/newbie/newbie100.htm

I have a FAQ that I started to work on, but never finished. You can browse over it if you want...I try to go into as much detail as I can.

http://www.brian894x4.com/ExpeditionLandCruiserFZJ80FAQ.html

I also have a detailed page on the 1FZ engine in the 1993-1997 80 series.

http://www.brian894x4.com/ExpeditionLandCruiserFZJ80engine.html

The platform itself makes for a great daily driver. At first, it will appear to be bigger than you might be used too, but is quickly overcome. It's probably shorter than your Tacoma, but a good bit wider.

In my judgement the 80 has two very critical drawbacks that any potential owner needs to be aware of. First and foremost is that it's a gas hog. This should never be under estimated. EPA rating is 15/13. You likely never see 15 mpg except on the highway only, on a very stock rig. One you add mods and weight, the mileage goes down. I average about 10-12 mpg in combination highway/city driving. With primarily highway driving, I see between 11-13 or so. But I've see single digits.

I would NOT buy and drive this rig as a daily drive on long commutes unless your wealthy and gas prices do not concern you. If you're only a few miles from work and are looking for a weekend toy or a long distance hauler and can afford the gas, then I say go for.

I look at it like an RV. RVs get something like 5 mpg, but are only driven on occasion, so the mileage is far less relevent. That's how I use mine. I have a little Honda as my daily driver commuter. But trust me, if gas was not a concern, I'd drive my baby everyday and everywhere.

The second issue is maintainence. The 80 is extremely reliable, but has a couple of quirks, the most expensive being headgasket issues. There doesn't seem to be much ryme or reason as to if/when/why they will blow. In the real world, head gasket failures don't see that common. In the Ih8mud word, everyone gets them and it's just an expected failure that every 80 owner will someday endure and it could happen at 80K miles or 800,000 miles, nobody knows. The 80 also not cheap to maintain. It's not bad if you do most of you're own work, but a Tacoma is cheaper and simplier to maintain. Fortunately, a good running 80 doesn't require much, as long as you keep up on the things like rebuilding the axles and repacking bearings, changing the fluids when needed, etc.

I could go on and on, but I won't. The bottom line is that I went from a mini-truck to an 80. My only regrets are it cost a lot more to buy, build, maintain and fuel than I first anticipated, but I think it's worth every penny.

If funds are tight and a real concern, you've already got the other platform I'd probably go with instead or perhaps the similiar generation 4runner. If funds are not tight, I can't think of a better rig than an 80 combination daily driver/weekender/overlander rig. Although, one should never overlook the 100 as an alternative for this same role, albeit more expensive.
 
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AndrewP

Explorer
I've got a 97, it's been everywhere with me and my family since 1999. 120k now. It's had great maintenance, but only 2 repairs; starter contacts and the EGR vsv. I've rebuilt the front axle as PM, too, but that isn't really a repair, its part of the maintenance plan. That's it.

Obviously as mentioned, I'm expecting the HG to go at some point, but I'll fix it when it does.

Except for the fuel, this may be the cheapest car to own I've ever had. It is a prodigious gas hog though, so be prepared for that.
 

musicmaan

Observer
Thank you very much guys, exactly the kind of info I was looking for.... I'll have to think it over for a while.

MM
 

Pokey

Adventurer
At this point you should only buy an 80 series if the oil prices dip and you can get in on some OIL stocks. Any rise in oil/gas prices should be offset by earnings from your brokerage account and be a nice offset when you catch your cruiser hanging out at the local gas station too much.
 

adventureduo

Dave Druck [KI6LBB]
What Brian and Angel said. Go check out those links, they'll help you out a ton. Let us know what you end up doing.
 

MoGas

Central Scrutinizer
IH8MUD.com x1000 Good stuff there.

I drive mine daily, but mine only has 212k on it. I get around 12.25 mpg on 31's lifted, ARB bumper and Hanna sliders and such.


Good luck, Cruisers are an addiction.
Dave
 
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BiG BoB

Adventurer
Get a diesel one!

No head gasket problems, much better fuel economy, and much greater reliability and service life!!!

Sean
 

NorCalSam

Adventurer
AndrewP said:
I've got a 97, it's been everywhere with me and my family since 1999. 120k now. It's had great maintenance, but only 2 repairs; starter contacts and the EGR vsv. I've rebuilt the front axle as PM, too, but that isn't really a repair, its part of the maintenance plan. That's it.

Obviously as mentioned, I'm expecting the HG to go at some point, but I'll fix it when it does.

Except for the fuel, this may be the cheapest car to own I've ever had. It is a prodigious gas hog though, so be prepared for that.


What Andy said is spot on I think. I have done the same here as far as repairs. We have about 220,000 and I love this truck so much, it is the most reliable and well built car we have ever owned. The gas is an issue we got 15 to 17 when we first got it but now it is like 12mpg. And loaded on a big trip I have seen 9mpg. Also people have had problems with leaking sunroof, us included.
 

musicmaan

Observer
Thanx to all the replies guys... I'm thinking my Cruiser dream may just have to stay a dream. I knew they were hard on gas, but I really had no idea they were THAT hard on gas. I think I'll stick with the original plan to keep the Tacoma and get wifey a Runner.
 

alvarorb

Adventurer
I have a 96 80 that I use as an expedition rig and on technical trails. The 80 is the most fun vehicle I've ever had. Working on it is not particularly hard. I've learned a lot from doing things to it.

On the trail it pretty much goes as far as any serious off-road rig will go. But inside it keeps it's civility. I'd recommend one with my eyes closed.

Regards

Alvaro
 

Brian894x4

Explorer
It really is too bad they are so poor on gas. If gas wasn't an issue, I'd buy a second one in a heartbeat for the wife to use as a daily driver, but her commute is fairly long.

It's been one of the most well built, best designed rigs I've ever owned or driven.

And why not? Not only is it a Toyota, but it's a $50,000 Toyota. There's nothing like driving a $50,000 car (well over $60K in today's dollars) but only having to pay a fraction of that price for a used one.

Sorry to hear you aren't going to get one, but I completely understand your decision. But before you make it final, you might want to do the math and compare 12 mpg with whatever a 4runner really gets in honest mileage and then compare whether or not you have to use premium in the 4runner or not. The LC80 will run just fine on the cheapest gas you can find.

One of the things that I found is that a nice late model 4Runner costs a lot more than a good example of an 80 and it would take a long time make up the difference in fuel mileage, unless you really rack up the miles.

A 100 gets better MPG and has more power so that might be an alternative as well. And early 100s are starting to come down in price.
 

vcsnover

Adventurer
Totally feel ya on the gas price issue... Fortunately, I only have about a 2 mile bicycle ride, walk, motorcycle ride to my office, and my wife who does have to drive a bit has our Subaru Outback. So my fj60 isn't tasked with too much daily driving= mucho dinero at the gas pump!! Good luck either way bro'!
 
Though this probably won't help you, i'm going to jump in and say that the 80 series is a great platform, especially with the diesel! I drive mine everyday, with 33s and OME suspension, even drive it to work with the Roof Top tent on! My 80 has had some mechanical problems just like every other truck, but it is quite a good balance between hardcore off-roader and comfy cruiser. The other thing you get with the 80s over some other expedition rigs is a good selection of companies making gear (racks, drawers, suspension, etc.), and reasonably good parts availability worldwide.
 

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