97-01 Dakotas... What's to love, what's to hate???

redthies

Renaissance Redneck
I find myself needing a "affordable" truck. My 80 series Land Cruiser is the best all round rig I have ever owned, but as a builder, it is not quite the ticket. I am looking at a few older Cummins trucks, and while my heart lusts after another one, all I can find with a 5 spd is an '89 with 250k on it. It is an option, but no A/C and 1st gen rough ride has me thinking about Dakotas with a 5 spd. I think mileage would be similar between the W250 and a 5.2/4.7 with a stick. I don't need massive payload in the bed, and the tow rating of 6200 lbs for the V8 Dakotas with 3.92 gears will handle my 3000 lb toy hauler pop-up with ease. What do you 'Kota savvy guys have to say about them? I want to go with a 3" lift and either 255-85s or 33-10.50s. so, what say you all?
 

tbared

Life participant
This is my experience, i owned for 200k. i loved every mile with the excpetion of the 46re. They were junk, plain and simple. I upgraded it to a five star planetery, with heavy dity clutches, and a medium stall torque converetor installed a transmission cooler rated for an motorhome(it was huge), external oil filter and a temp gauge. I did minor towing, with alot of highway miles. Still ate tranny, about every eighty thousand on avereage. i would still have it ot this day if it had a manual. i was even able to mount a fullsize 33 rotatable spare in stock localation. I miss her(weep)

otions:
5.9l
auto
manual 4X4
QuadCab
power
a/c

Leer Topper
Cibie fog
33 inch BFG, no lift though( it looked ************)
 

redthies

Renaissance Redneck
The recurring theme with Dodges... "I would have never sold it if it had a manual transmission". My top two picks so far are both 5 spds. I have only ever driven this era Dakota with a stick. It was awesome to drive! I have been told to try and avoid the 4.7 motor. Any idea why? I haven't heard of any major issues with them. Did you just crank the torsion bars to run 33s?
 

tbared

Life participant
Yes, I just leveled it by cranking up torsion bars a bit. Not a lot though, and when I sold it, they were no worse for wear. The truck didn't see hardlyb any rock crawling. Mainly just deep mud and snow at slow a pace. As far as know about the 4.7l was head warpage. Iwent the 5.9l, dinosuar, bet for a reason, they were just good plain and simple. I up a couple pics later for ya
 

Nick02

Member
1997 was a weird year; some frame parts and cab parts are different from the rest of the Dakotas
2000 saw the introduction of the 4.7L 3.7, 45rfe and rack and pinion for 4x4’s
2001 saw the introduction of a new more modern dash and interior design
2003 saw the introduction of dual piston calipers and combined the TCM/ECM into one computer.

Dakotas and durango’s had a massive upper balljoint recall, the uppers were non grease able and came apart 60-100K. To tell if yours has been replaced it should have bolts instead of rivets holding it to the UCA and a zerk fitting as well.

The 4.7L is an excellent engine, def 300K if maintained. If you severely overheat it will drop the valve seats. Only flaw I had it that the 8mm bolts that hold the cast iron header to the aluminum head tend to break. Stock internals are strong, I’ve seen guys run 11-12 sec ¼ miles running forced induction on 4.7L’s with completely stock internals. IMHO it’s a great engine.

The 45rfe/545rfe that back the 4.7L are great trannys, def 300+K if maintained, they are also used behind the 5.7l hemi, and diesel liberties. 45rfe/545rfe is just a TCM change for an extra 5th gear, if you get a 2001 you can swap in a GC TCM and gain the extra 5th.

The nv3500 backed 4.7L’s if you got a stick. And stock vs stock IMHO is the best combo for gas mileage and power, they ran faster than any R/T on the strip.

All V8 dakota’s also got the massive 9.25” axle the 8.25” is not bad either that backed V8 RT durangos and the rest of the lineup. IMHO great rear axles for this truck.

You have to get a V8 in a Dakota. The 4banger was flawed and the 3.9’s and 3.7’s get almost the same fuel economy as a V8 since the Dakota’s and are fullsize heavy.

Expect horrid mileage, I averaged 12-13mpg in my stock 2wd 4.7L CC My stepfathers 4.7L ram got 11.3MPG. (this is all phoenix city driving BTW)

Front ends on all 4x4 dakota’s are weak. 97-99 had a flange style axleshafts with a dana 35 cast iron center section. 2000-2003 went to clipped tulip shafts and used the c205mm aluminum differential which tends to implode even with small tires and moderate wheeling. I’ve never seen an axle shaft break it’s always the differential housing that explodes. The front CV style driveshaft is junk, but any driveline shop can make a u-joint style one for 200-300 bucks

The wheel pattern is 6x4.5 which makes for small front unit bearings and limited wheel
choices (the viper, and some early 2000’s nissans share it) never change wheel backspaceing unless you want the front unitbearings to fail.

Always replace parts with American or Japanese equivalents (ex Timken, SKF, raybestos preium yada yada yada) the ebay/autozone Mexican/Chinese parts will FAIL

Never re-use the 2wd spindle nuts, they will loosen even with lock-tite.

Frames are strong. Dakota frames are thicker, wider and taller than comparable year tacoma’s.

There’s no aftermarket for dakota’s better get used to custom fabrication.

The 4.7L and 45rfe are the only stock parts left on my truck, I neutral dropped my 45rfe and bent my 1/8” wall driveshaft (doing burnouts); oh and I’am on 39” pitbulls with 4:10 gears (-: I have beat the crap outta my truck since I got it in 2005, and it just asks for more. Other then one header bolt i've never ever had anything 4.7L/45rfe related break.. ever! And I've done everything from boiling over, drag racing, burnouts, intakeing water and dust and mud to hardcore rock-crawling.

To the OP find a 2003 4.7L with the stick and 3.92's, you will have a great engine/tranny/axle combo and have the better brakes for towing. (trust me, the single piston calipers are inadequate for anything, even without front ABS I could never get the fronts to lock up, even on 28" tires....)

here's mine back in the day
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and now... she's all grown up! (the Bodylift is still on the bed but not the cab BTW LOL!)
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redthies

Renaissance Redneck
Hey Nick, figured you would be the expert here... Love your Dakota, although it is a bit beyond the scope of my needs! I am looking to run skinny 33s, so stock rims and some form of small lift is my plan. I do fab bumpers, racks etc and do my own paint and body work, so that is all good. I plan to use the truck for work (carpentry mainly) and some towing up to 4000 lbs. I am looking at a $5k budget, so the newest I have seen is '02, but with 160-180k on them. There are a few cherry '98-'99s with 60-70k on them that are interesting, although disc rear brakes and 16" wheels are preferred. I will avoid a '97 as I want something easy to find parts. My Y2K 2500 Dodge was a bastard year... all brakes and bearings were a one year only deal. Made the prices triple that of '99 or '01!

One last thing, body lift...Yay or nay? With a stick??

Thanks for your insight!
 

Nick02

Member
Probably no body lift for 33's, if you have a stick you usually need to weld in an extension for the shifter. You should be able to fit 33X10.5 ish size with just a mild torsion crank and some trimming near the front lower edge of the bumper and plastic by the firewall on stock 16x8's (i've seen this done on a durango). Corbin is running metric 35's with just the torsion bars cranked all the way up.
You'll probably have less issues with a newer truck with high mileage then an older with low miles if you go auto, because of the 45rfe.
 

colodak

Adventurer
one thing overlooked on the 46re, it is basically a moderized 727 torqueflite, by many accounts the most simplistic and bulletproof trans built. I was quoted $2,600 to rebuild my trans and t-case and make it bulletproof.

That said, I have 122K on my '00 Dakota Quadcab, it's been cross country 4 times, off-roaded a few times per year. Sizewise, a quadcab dakota is bigger than it's competition, will comfortably seat 4 adults for a long drive. The small bed is the downsize. At altitude, my 5.9 Dakota with 46re and AWD gets about 13 mpg mixed use, but I also have the aerodynamis of a brick wall (pushbar, winch combo). Guys at lower elevations have reported 15 to 18 mpg on the highway. Thing to keep in mind, the 5.2/5.9, though "magnum" engines, are piece of cake to work one, old style cap/rotor/distributor ignition system. MSD used to make an upgrade coil, but they have discontinued it, supposedly Accell makes one now. The 4.7 uses a newer style coil on plug design.

Dakota's 97 to 01 came with 15" wheels and factory 31's, '02 an dnewer are 16" wheels. With t-bar cranks you can fit 33's, some trucks can fit them with no adjustments to the bars, but with mixed results. On the various Dakota websites, 33's seem to be the max that the IFS can support before failing, 35's appear to have a high fail rate over time.

If your looking at a Dakota with the R&P steering, there is no longer a lift kit available. Rancho used to put out a 3" kit but discontinued it a couple of years back and won't make new ones. Generally, just cranking the t-bars will get you 1 to 3" of lift, there are new keys available if you want to try for more or if the t-bars are worn. Replacement bars are available and not very pricey from Dodge.

Dodge offered three gears 3.55, 3.73 and 3.92. If you find one with the factory tow package, it will come already equipped with a 7-pin connection and a factory class IV receiver. the factory tow package was supposed to also come equipped with 3.92 gears, depending on where it was ordered and delivered, this may or may not be the case.

I've been debating selling mine to buy a 3/4 ton with a Cummins, but the wife and I have talked about it and I've decided this one has a lifetime commitment. It still runs/drives great, does what I need it to do, and I can work on it if needed without any real special tools and knowledge.
 
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redthies

Renaissance Redneck
I've been debating selling mine to buy a 3/4 ton with a Cummins

My other option... I am really torn. I found a good 1st gen with 5 speed which I can possibly trade one of my rigs for, but the Dakotas are waaaay more civilized. I will have to see which way things go. They seem to have a way of working themselves out!

The reality is, deep down I want another Cummins, but my wife won't like a 1st gen or a reg cab either... Everyone I ask who is either a mechanic or parts guy say to get the Cummins. What to do... what to do!
 

Hokie

Observer
I don’t have all of the detailed knowledge or history with these trucks like other do, but…

I just had the same dilemma. I was on the truck search and while searching for a 4 door or ext cab truck and found a heck of a good deal on a first gen regular cab Cummins. In the end, I decided that I would be buying a motor and a truck shell just happened to come with it as nothing else about the truck was desirable to me (or the wife) because it was a regular cab with no A/C but it at least tried to make up for the lack of A/C with many large rust holes in the floorboard.

I wound up with an 02 Dakota QC with the 5.9, auto and towing package. So far, aside from the gas mileage that has already been mentioned, we love the truck. Plenty of room for people and stuff, the ride is good, the power is good and lots of little cubby holes, cup holders, etc and it still fits in the garage and normal parking spots. My mechanic buddy, who used to work at a Dodge dealership and pretty much hates anything Dodge, encouraged me to buy this one due to the motor (for all the reasons already mentioned). The only thing he was iffy on was the auto tranny.

Colodak, FYI, mine does have the factory tow package but it only has the 3.55 gears and the glove box sticker confirms both. I would hate to see the mileage with 3.73’s or 3.92’s and the automatic tranny!

Good luck with your search!
 

colodak

Adventurer
the reason you have those gears is because of where your located, lower elevation, fewer mountains.
 

hikingff77

Adventurer
I had an '04 crew, just to small for my family. But I liked it. I wanted to do a bunch of things to it but the aftermarket sucks for them and there's not many mods you can do that wouldn't be custom. I guess that's a good thing...??? I know that with the 6 cyl. in 4lo was a beast! Crawled like mad.
 

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