98 Jeep ZJ "SHTFV"

88Xj

Banned
Scott on our previous discussion, I'm gonna do a much similar cross member for myself & for you if you end up doing it. I'll pm you some pics but basically drill a few small holes in the rails for nuts to be able to fit...weld nuts to the stiffeners & then weld stiffeners to rails. The xmember will bolt on that way..those nuts shouldn't break loose & it should be much stronger than stock still. Doing it flat will mean notching for the driveshaft & refiguring the exhaust so it fits & doesn't rattle around and thats too much work to ask brother. Thank you for even taking the time to talk about it with me man!


Back on track though, any updates on this rig?
 

Recce01

Adventurer
Scott on our previous discussion, I'm gonna do a much similar cross member for myself & for you if you end up doing it. I'll pm you some pics but basically drill a few small holes in the rails for nuts to be able to fit...weld nuts to the stiffeners & then weld stiffeners to rails. The xmember will bolt on that way..those nuts shouldn't break loose & it should be much stronger than stock still. Doing it flat will mean notching for the driveshaft & refiguring the exhaust so it fits & doesn't rattle around and thats too much work to ask brother. Thank you for even taking the time to talk about it with me man!


Back on track though, any updates on this rig?

Oh ya, I just have to find the time to type! Work is keeping me busy at the moment. Between off road expo, a trip to the rubicon trail for a week, and now SEMA, I am burnt! Not complaining, just wish there were more hours in the day!

I have WJ brakes and steering on my XJ. So very much worth it...

How do these brakes and steering compare........ to say, the brakes on 2012 Jeep JK axles?
 

88Xj

Banned
Oh ya, I just have to find the time to type! Work is keeping me busy at the moment. Between off road expo, a trip to the rubicon trail for a week, and now SEMA, I am burnt! Not complaining, just wish there were more hours in the day!



How do these brakes and steering compare........ to say, the brakes on 2012 Jeep JK axles?



Scott JK's have cross over already, same as the wj. Basically the passenger side knuckle has 2 mounting points for TRE's. tie rod = knuckle-knuckle, drag link is pitman arm to knuckle. Wjs & Jk's are setup the same that way! Brake wise Jks's are worse off. Single piston calipers & 11.8" rotors. Vs wj's being dual pistons & 12" rotor.
From the looks of what I've seen online Wj knuckles bolt on & go. Idk if you need the 1/4" hub spacer or not..but ball joint tapers the same as a Wj! And onces the knuckles are on you just use the WJ brakes! They are both have the same bolt pattern as well so it's pretty much plug & play.
Jk axle in a wj, he used Wj knuckles & brakes.
http://mallcrawlin.com/forum/showthread.php?16247-JK-Rubicon-D44-Axles-installed-into-WJ

Anyway Jk brakes would be an upgrade to the current Zj stuff you have now & you would get crossover still! Wj would just be 1 more step up. Also did you find out what I meant about the CA brackets? Just gotta rotate them so they are at the correct angle:)
 

reece146

Automotive Artist
Regarding the JK knuckles, is the drag and tie rod link arrangement the same as the WJ?

I did the TRE flips for the drag and tie-rod and it kind of screws up the anti-roll bar geometry. I fangled up some relocated axle side roll bar mounts but am still not happy with them (flex, fragile). I'll try the Teraflex style roll bar mounts next.

For brakes if the WJ stuff is bigger than JK then do WJ brakes. I don't know if they are, would have to do the maths comparing swept area, total piston area, etc.
 

88Xj

Banned
Regarding the JK knuckles, is the drag and tie rod link arrangement the same as the WJ?

I did the TRE flips for the drag and tie-rod and it kind of screws up the anti-roll bar geometry. I fangled up some relocated axle side roll bar mounts but am still not happy with them (flex, fragile). I'll try the Teraflex style roll bar mounts next.

For brakes if the WJ stuff is bigger than JK then do WJ brakes. I don't know if they are, would have to do the maths comparing swept area, total piston area, etc.


Ya on a Xj axle you need to do raised sway bar endlinks/mounts. And some do a OTA (over the axle) track bar bracket, sometimes its not needed. I don't run sway bars so I cut mine off. Wj brakes are bigger than the Jk's, dual piston & larger rotors. Jks are similar to the Xj stuff, just bigger. They have a big single piston caliper. Both have crossover style knuckles.
 

Recce01

Adventurer
Hello All! It has been forever, or so it seems..... that I have been in here to play. My work life has taken me for quite a ride for the last few months, not allowing much time to enjoy the ZJ. I thought I would jump in and say hello and let you all know I havent sold the ZJ and bought a Toyota or something silly like that :) Instead, I went to Off-Road Expo in the beginning of October (brought the ZJ)

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Then left the following Monday to go drive the Rubicon Trail (in my bosses JK),


Then came back and thrashed to get a ton of scale Jeeps ready for the SEMA show.

There are photos buried in here somewhere....

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/....10151293908145873.509758.164885970872&type=1

Oh, then I decided to get sick and sleep for a few days, I guess I cant do all this crap like I did when I was young LOL

I am looking forward to coming back in and showing the updates I have made to the ZJ. There are quite a few little changes I have made, some of which I am very excited to share. I hope all of you are well, stay tuned!

Scott
 

Mekcanix

Camper
As always when I see this ZJ on this forum I am filled with respect for your skills and talents Sir. You seem to have a natural knack for picking the right part to do just what you need and in the way you want it done. This jeep is fast becoming for me the benchmark for my own build when i start in the spring.
 

Recce01

Adventurer
tuned in and waiting... ;0

coming right up!

:me too,thats one sweet setup for camping :Wow1:

Thanks!

As always when I see this ZJ on this forum I am filled with respect for your skills and talents Sir. You seem to have a natural knack for picking the right part to do just what you need and in the way you want it done. This jeep is fast becoming for me the benchmark for my own build when i start in the spring.

I very much appreciate the compliments! This is my first attempt at my interpretation of an Overland Vehicle. I have found a few things I may do differently if I do this again, but that intel will be conveyed down the road when I have the data to back it up :)
 

Recce01

Adventurer
Suspension Continued

Last time I posted some new stuff, I was addressing the suspension. When we originally installed the suspension system, I worked with Icon Vehicle Dynamics to have some shocks made up to fit the Jeep. This required me to take some reccommendations from the suspension mfg. (Rubicon Express) and some measurements of my own. Due to my Greed and desire to have redonkulous articulation I decided to add an inch or maybe a little more to the can length. After hitting the trail and finding some spots to fully articulate the rig, I discovered that the shocks were just too damn long. Yes, I failed. Don't get me wrong, it worked, and worked well, but the shocks would bottom out during full twist. If Icon were to provide these as parts for other ZJ owners, they need to be perfect :) So, I turned up at Icon and worked with Dylan Evans to make the appropriate changes. We were both pretty floored to see the amount of available twist with this short arm system.

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Upon further inspection, the suspension was finding quite a bind at the end of the travel both in bump and droop positions. Even at full bump, we still had well over an inch before the tires were close to the body shell. I had to make a decision, and that was to make slightly shorter shock, or extend the bump stops. In theory, if we shortened the shocks, we could unbind the suspension slightly, and drop the articulated ride height by over an inch and still retain the same articulation. Here are some shots to illustrate how pissed off the components get when put in this position.

The rear bump stop, articulated

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This rear coil wants out bad!

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the front all smashed together

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So, up in the air it goes to yank the shocks and rebuild them with better tuned dimensions, aka measurements taken by Dylan :D

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Dylan immediately got to work sourcing the cans and shafts to make the shocks. After a quick discussion, we decided to leave the valving exactly as it was removed, because I have never had a more perfect match between spring rate and valving. This thing rides better than I would have ever imagined.

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What a cool set-up to build shocks! Every one of their shocks are built in house in Riverside

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Dylan looks pretty serious in this picture, I guess putting a few hundred pounds of nitrogen in a new shock for the first time can be interesting

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Fresh decals on fresh shocks ready to go!

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After we re-installed the shocks, we brought the forklift back out to check the results

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It passes Dylan's inspection :)

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The result is the exact same articulation, with the tires about 1/2" from hitting the inner fender well now!

We are very looking forward to getting out on the trail again to test this out. Thanks to Dylan at Icon Vehicle Dynamics!
 

88Xj

Banned
OMG:O
Seriously you have an amazing rig brother. I'd never imagine this build going THIS far! I'm kinda sad I won't have a full size but glad I can do more to the Xj now. Jesus I hope my rigs just a portion of badassness that yours is lol.
 

jeepdreamer

Expedition Leader
OMG:O
Seriously you have an amazing rig brother. I'd never imagine this build going THIS far! I'm kinda sad I won't have a full size but glad I can do more to the Xj now. Jesus I hope my rigs just a portion of badassness that yours is lol.

I'm sure it will given your knowledge... Mine, on the other hand... mmmph.
 

Morticon

Adventurer
Amazing rig! I saw your vehicle come up in a photo uploaded to facebook by PoisonSpyder. Very cool! Looks like you have some very nice friends to know! Haha
 

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