A New President! Now What?

SinCityFJC

Adventurer
All the diverse 4x4, OHV & Sportsman groups need to get over our differences, find common ground so that we can unite as a stronger & more powerfull voice in keeping our trails open. This would also help educate users on proper & responsible use of our public lands not just for us but for our future generations.

So please join all the access groups you can afford to join, "Blue Ribbon Coalition, Tread Lightly & United Four Wheel Drive Association" they need our help financially and as volunteers. If you disagree how they operate or positions they take get involved/volunteer and make a difference from within.

Numbers of organizations as well as individual memberships make a difference - one of the questions I usually get when interacting with government agencies & politicos is how many orgs & constituents do you represent.
 

dieselcruiserhead

16 Years on ExPo. Whoa!!
I like the idea of a OHV license just like a fishing license... Making sure those people are somehow a little more knowledgeable about staying on the trail, litter, etc that goes with the license and use those funds for enforcment and related programs...
 

SinCityFJC

Adventurer
dieselcruiserhead said:
I like the idea of a OHV license just like a fishing license... Making sure those people are somehow a little more knowledgeable about staying on the trail, litter, etc that goes with the license and use those funds for enforcment and related programs...

While I'm not found of more fees licensing may address one of the biggest challenges of managers of public lands. Educating those that don't belong to clubs or access groups. Example given at a NOHVCC land use/planning workshop I took last winter was anyone can go into PepBoys/Costco ect & buy a cheap motorcycle/atv ect. & without knowing any better cause a lot of damage. We need to find a way to reach all users of public lands & educate them.

http://www.nohvcc.org/education/workshop.asp
 

Super Doody

Explorer
expeditionswest said:
UFWDA is really on the ball at the moment, including a great deal of energy directed at overlanding. I am quite excited to support and work with them.

Look for more details on this in the coming weeks. :)

Is Expedition West forming its own trail conservation group? I think that would be a great idea with moderate views on trail use for all.
 

Guinness44

Adventurer
agavelvr:
Not to drag on, you do agree so that we all need to stick together. Good.
Agreed totally on education, Tread Lightly brochures, should be in every bike, 4by4, ATV, hikingshoes etc. The BLM office is trying to have some in stock.
Corporate sponsors (not sure who its right now), but aware that once it was KIA, then HUMMER.

Europe: camped in Italy, France, Spain, Germany, Switzerland....England.
Trying to drive offhighway? NONE in Switzerland, Germany (except for their events, usually in a gravelpit, armytrainingground or so). Italy, one frustration after another, the French/Italian Alps, some nice trails, hardly LL trails, camping was off the not so beaten paths but enjoyable. Quiet a lot of humans on those trails (as one would excpect in crowded countries.) (One camp was on a Italian farm, (with other visitors), the other was inside an old fort, some history there. One could walk to "town" from either. Some stops we just rented a room (not gonna camp in a parking lot.)

Bottom line just join some good landusegroup(s). ANY support for keeping the public land FOR the public, not FROM.
 

1leglance

2007 Expedition Trophy Champion, Overland Certifie
You are either part of the problem or part of the solution...
It amazes me that folks will spend thousands of dollars on mod's and countless hours working on rigs yet very few put any money into national groups or time towards trail cleanups/maintainance....

If we all followed a simple 10% rule things would different..
10% of your rig budget to clubs/national groups..
10% of your time to trail cleanup...

Of course with all the efforts against recreational motorized access to the backcountry we need to do more than 10% but just imagine if we had even that small percentage.

No matter what you think of this group or that, them or us, who is the problem or why, Please Please get out and do something! Not just a once a year cleanup, not just paying dues to your local club...

1) Write letters, send emails...use some of the time you surf the web to make a difference.
2) Join groups, money makes things happen
3) Get out and do a trail cleanup, place flyers at places like REI and such so others can see what we are doing.
4) Stop and talk to others on the trail, a little friendly education or chat can go a long way to improving things.
5) Become a Tread Lightly Trainer and make it a part of your habits and drivers meetings
6) Don't talk bad about other OHV users, we need unity and understanding, if you see bad practices then take that up with the user but please don't publics slam groups...just like us not all of them are bad.
7) Sign up for email alerts from motorized and anti-access groups, that way you will know what everyone is up to.
8) Attend meetings, even if you have to drive it makes a difference
9) Talk about the positive aspects of motorized backcountry access, carnage, red-neck'n and other stereotypical stuff just works against us
10) Get out on the Trail and meet the local rangers/land managers...they need to see normal people making use of the land.

Just my thoughts and worth what you paid for them...
Disabled Explorers is an effort that I am part of that is fighting for motorized access for all of us, not just the handicap. However I hope that showing that there is a group that ONLY has the option of using 4wd will highlight the need to keep some access open.

I am fine with a OHV license like hunters & fisherfolks have, I am fine with manditory training, I am fine with pack in/pack out rules, and I am fine with heavy fines for anyone caught leaving trash or going off trail...
I tell this to all the land managers I meet so they know I am willing to do my part...
Now everyone else join is while we still have a chance.
 

SinCityFJC

Adventurer
agavelvr said:
I'm confused about the BRC's views on Backcountry Designations vs Wilderness as it applies to conservation.

My understanding on this is BRC feels there is a need for Back Country Designation in addition to wilderness areas. Not all areas have characteristics of Wilderness but do need a way to protect & manage them

From BRC site:
Back Country designation will provide stable long-term protection for the land and will reduce the need to apply some other, more restrictive classification in the future.

The classification that is currently being used to "protect" land is Wilderness. Wilderness is a worthy designation for many lands, but some lands don't qualify as Wilderness. These lands still need to be protected.

The restrictive Wilderness designation has already been applied to over 107.4 million acres of federally managed lands in the U.S. With Wilderness use representing less than 5% of the total use of these lands, is this a reasonable approach? We think not!

Wilderness severely restricts necessary management and significantly increases the costs of protecting the land. There is a reasonable alternative that will protect the land but will also allow it to be used and enjoyed by the public. That alternative is Back Country.
 

SinCityFJC

Adventurer
Ursidae69 said:
What excatly do they mean by this, anyone know?

Was a poor attempt at a summary, Here is excerpt & full article from BRC.

"At the same time, many of these lands are threatened by insect and disease epidemics and by catastrophic wildfires that could destroy the very values that the public wants to see preserved. Therefore, it is essential that this land designation also allow the managing agencies the ability to apply the minimum level management to deal with these threats."

Back Country: A designation whose time has come

From BRC site - http://www.sharetrails.org/backcountry/

Mountain Biking is a mechanized use, and is not allowed in Wilderness areas.

A new designation is needed which is not so restrictive.
History has shown that administrative action has been unable to resolve the conflict associated with public land recreation and roadless areas. It is imperative that Congress take some specific action to put this issue to rest.

Congress needs to establish a land designation that provides the protection the public demands for these lands while at the same time providing the managing agencies the necessary management flexibility to respond to recreational demands and address critical concerns of forest health, fire prevention and wildlife habitat enhancement.

Much of our public lands reflect an undeveloped, back country character. Evidence of man's activities may be present and obvious to a knowledgeable observer. However, this evidence is not dominant and the landscape is generally perceived as possessing natural, primitive or back country characteristics. It is important that these characteristics be maintained under any land designation category established by Congress.

These lands provide a very valuable resource for recreational activities that allow people to experience and enjoy these natural appearing landscapes.

They provide opportunities for people to escape from the pressures of large crowds and the more developed world. This can include a wide range of recreational activities including use of ATVs and off-highway motorcycles, hunting, snowmobiling, fishing, hiking, bicycling, horseback riding and 4-wheel driving. At the same time, many of these lands are threatened by insect and disease epidemics and by catastrophic wildfires that could destroy the very values that the public wants to see preserved. Therefore, it is essential that this land designation also allow the managing agencies the ability to apply the minimum level management to deal with these threats.

Hikers and OHV enthusiasts can often enjoy the same back country trails.
Any management activities that are planned for these areas must also be subject to all the existing laws, regulations and policies that address the protection of the environment as well as cultural and historic resources. The public land management processes must also apply to these lands. In this way the public's ability to participate in and influence the process is preserved.

The establishment of a Congressional Back Country land designation can achieve all of these objectives. The land will be protected and the public will still be able to experience and understand the values of these unique areas and the countless court cases and legal challenges can be reduced.

Congress needs to begin the process to make this new land designation a reality.

Snowmobiling is a back country recreation that is enjoyed by thousands each winter.

Following the etiquette for the trail, motorcyclists make way for hikers. Responsible shared-use is an important concept to preserve for our back country areas.

The Back Country concept also preserves the character of these areas for sportsmen and women to enjoy.

The Back Country designation allows for a variety of recreational uses in areas where recreation is appropriate.

Why is Back Country the answer for the 21st century?

Back Country's first priority is to actually protect the environment and protect the character of the land. To accomplish this active management, actions are often required. These may include such things as forest health, wildlife improvement and scenic enhancement projects. Back Country designation would allow these activities as long as the character of the land is preserved.

Back Country would allow the reduction of excessive fuel loads from overstocked stands or bug killed trees. Fuel loads often lead to catastrophic wildfires that devastate the environment and take decades for recovery. These catastrophic wildfires wipe out all wildlife and fish and devastate watersheds for at least a decade.

Back Country allows the most efficient methods of trail maintenance, which protects the environment while protecting access routes. There are no unnecessary restrictions on the types of equipment that can be used.

Back Country is inclusive, rather than exclusive. It allows the types of access and recreation preferred by over 95% of the Americans who visit National Forests. The very young, the elderly, and the physically challenged are all welcome in Back Country areas by means that will allow them to visit their public lands.

Back Country encourages tolerance and diversity. Back Country would allow responsible use of mountain bikes, trail bikes, SUVs, snowmobiles, and other mechanized and motorized means that a significant number of Americans already have, can afford, and desire to use.

Back Country encourages cooperation, as the lands are shared between many interest groups. These user groups are brought together with a shared love of our public lands.

Back Country encourages ALL citizens to appreciate and enjoy their public lands and builds support for proper management and funding for land managing agencies.

Back Country encourages sharing and finding common ground with other interest groups.

Back Country preserves the last of America's relatively undeveloped public lands for the majority of Americans.

Back Country will provide future opportunities for non-Wilderness recreation, which is growing very quickly.

Back Country designation will provide stable long-term protection for the land and will reduce the need to apply some other, more restrictive classification in the future.

The classification that is currently being used to "protect" land is Wilderness. Wilderness is a worthy designation for many lands, but some lands don't qualify as Wilderness. These lands still need to be protected.

The restrictive Wilderness designation has already been applied to over 107.4 million acres of federally managed lands in the U.S. With Wilderness use representing less than 5% of the total use of these lands, is this a reasonable approach? We think not!

Wilderness severely restricts necessary management and significantly increases the costs of protecting the land. There is a reasonable alternative that will protect the land but will also allow it to be used and enjoyed by the public. That alternative is Back Country.
 

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