Aggressive mud tire for expedition travel

astubbs

New member
Hi,

I am going on a 3 month trip down to Central America in my HJ47 this summer and am currently trying to figure out which type of tire to use. I will be doing research on and hopefully discovering new species of amphibians and reptiles which exist only in very remote areas of Guatemala, Mexico and Honduras. The major limitation for previous research expeditions has been actually getting into these areas after the rains (which clearly means dealing with a great deal of mud) as many animals can only be found after a heavy rain. It's hard to get grants to do mods to your personal car so I'm going to have to pay most of the vehicle costs out of pocket so cost is an issue.

Thus I'm currently trying to make the decision on which type of mud tire to buy. I've heard good things about the BFG KM2s but I'm wondering how much of a performance trade off it is compared to something like a TSL radial in thick clay jungle mud. I plan to have 6 tires on wheels of size 255/85r16 or something similar (tall and skinny). I'm fairly okay with the tires just lasting for this trip if people think there would be a major benefit in the mud going to something like a TSL but I'd rather be able to use them on Baja trips and whatnot in the years to come. I have a set of 6 235/85 all terrains I use for the truck around town in Ca. I have a 8274 winch and sand ladders but I'd prefer just having better traction to start with. I've also been trying to decide if it's worth the cost to put in a rear ARB locker.

I'm also going to be bringing down a set of mud tires for the local scientists to use in Guatemala as evidently they are not easy to get down there. These would be only to put on their pickup for wheeling to remote areas and thus I was thinking something like a bias TSL would be ideal but I'm open to suggestions.

Thanks for any advice you guys can give me,

Alexander

(this is cross posted on Mud)
 

chasespeed

Explorer
ARB... YES. If you can swing both... do it.... Nothing can make up for power going where you want it to... ALL THE TIME.

Tires.... For all out mud, and absolute traction... Interco. Since being well balanced isnt an issue on unimproved roads...

As far as which tire... You could go either with the TSL, or the Bogger. The TSL is a better choice.

There are other tires of course, but... for me.... thats where I would steer.

Chase
 

astubbs

New member
So the only issue I saw with the TSLs was the actual trip down there (I'll be putting 4k miles in on the pavement for sure just to get down and back). For that reason I was considering getting a TSL radial, does that sound like a good decision?

So you would say that TSLs do provide a significant enough increase in performance to that it's worth dealing with the potential difficulty getting spares and balancing issues? I'm really not worried about comfort or noise as honestly I don't think it'll be too significant compared to the suspension and engine noise of the 2H.

Alexander
 

chasespeed

Explorer
I ran a set of 33x10.5 TSL Radials for a few years. They DID balance out, though with a bit of weight. They didnt have issues with flat spots, or out of rounds....

All in all, I was actually very surprised and impressed with the tires overall. For an all out mud, that's my first choice.

I drove from Mass to Texas on those tires, without a problem at all...

BUT, do some digging. I probably wouldnt put them on a D/D for again. BUT, for a purpose tire, like taking this trip, I wouldnt hesitate.

BUT, that is me.

Chase
 

astubbs

New member
Just to be clear you were running the TSL radial and not the SSR. I've been trying to decide which of these to go with. I assume it's not worth getting the bias ply version...

Alexander
 

astubbs

New member
I was also considering the narrow super swampers as they look like they'll fit on my truck without any rubbing. The only issue is that they are bias...
 

xcmountain80

Expedition Leader
The SSR's will hold up to the mileage to and from, and as stated before if it's going to be mud stick with interco tires for sure!

A
 

chasespeed

Explorer
Yes, I was running the TSL, Radial. NOT SSR.

Bias Ply has its place.... dedicated trail rigs, etc.... for anything that will see pavement, go with the Radial.

TO BE CLEAR, I was running, 33x10.5/15, TSL RADIALS, NOT bias ply.

Chase
 

astubbs

New member
Cool that's really helpful. I'm going to look into the differences between the TSL Radial, SSR and Trxus. It looks like I'd be looking at a 33X10.50R16LT in the TSL radial, a 285/75 in the SSR and a 255/85 in the TrXus.

If anyone has experience with the differences in these tires in serious mud I'd appreciate any opinions. I'm under the impression that the TrXus is more of an all terrain tire and that the SSR is a slightly tighter tread pattern than the TSL...
 

milo12

Adventurer
One of the best things for mud is chains. Big Chains. Not no sissy street snow chains. Look around and you can find chains that are not highway legal. Usually max 20 mph. With these chains you could run an AT tire and it wouldn't hurt.

Look half way down this page to see the difference between mud chains and snow chains. http://www.landroverclub.net/Club/HTML/Chains_snow.htm

One thing to be aware of. Chains can destroy a trail. Use common sense and a light foot and you should be fine.
 
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chasespeed

Explorer
Dont bother with the Truxus.

If mud is your concern, TSL, SSR or Bogger.

TSL seems to have the narrower, normal sizes in Radial.

Chase
 

ersatzknarf

lost, but making time
I first ran the 265/70R16 SSR (31.5" OD) with stock 3.54 gears and axles, and then later made a serious upgrade to the 35/10.50R16 (axles, gears, everything - not inexpensive). The 285/75R16 SSR is 33.9" OD, according to their website. Do you want a 32" OD tire or can/should you go larger ? I was quite happy with the first size.

Cheers,
Frank
 

alexrex20

Explorer
i run Interco SSRs and with 10oz of copper BBs inside a 32x11.50-16 (measures 32.7in and weighs 67lbs), they balance great. they ride like butter.

in the mud, they are phenomenal. a 285/75-16 SSR is an affordable tire ($200/ea from 4wheelonline.com) and for your circumstance, i think a very good option.


don't discount the bias ply TSL though. i know several people that run them on their daily drivers, and their road manners are actually quite good. they don't really flat spot except in the cold (but we don't get much of that here in Houston, nor do they in Guatemala), and rode great on the highway at 80mph under a K5 Blazer. they will be the most puncture resistance, the most durable, and will have the most aggressive TSL pattern while still being streetable.

another option is the LTB. you can get it in a 34x10.50-16 which is a great size for off-highway expo travel. it's also nice and skinny, to dig down to that hard bottom under the mud. the LTB also has one of the most aggressive TSL tread patterns.

LTB:
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astubbs

New member
I think 285/75 is about the largest I can go. Supposedly running larger than 34 inch tires you start worrying about breaking birfs but as I don't have a locked front I'm not really too worried about that. I think 285/75 may be the best option (or a 33X10.4 tsl radial). I'm still trying to decide between the TSL radial and the ssr...

Alexander
 

stevenmd

Expedition Leader
i run Interco SSRs and with 10oz of copper BBs inside a 32x11.50-16 (measures 32.7in and weighs 67lbs), they balance great. they ride like butter.

I have never heard of using BBs. Do you actually put them inside the tire? Do you still use weights to balance the tire too? Sorry to sound like a noob.
 

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