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It makes no sense to you...that is fine....but that is to you. Just as you are not making sense to me.
I could not agree more.
S.22 is the wrong way to go about this.
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ALERT - Harry Reid to Force Vote On Omnibus Land Grab This Weekend - 09 Jan 2009
- Thread starter SinCityFJC
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It makes no sense to you...that is fine....but that is to you. Just as you are not making sense to me.
I could not agree more.
S.22 is the wrong way to go about this.
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Hank
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This is an old article, but an interesting read. http://www.wheelinsportsmen.org/nwtf_newsroom/press_releases.php?id=12311
SinCityFJC
Adventurer
Just a FYI for those interested in BRC position on S.22
BLUERIBBON COALITION, INC.
MEDIA RELEASE
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: Brian Hawthorne
BlueRibbon Coalition
208-237-1008 ext 102
DATE: February 4, 2009
BLUERIBBON COALITION EXPRESSES CONCERNS ABOUT HOUSE VOTE ON OMNIBUS LAND BILL
POCATELLO, ID (February 4) - The BlueRibbon Coalition (BRC), a national trail-based recreation group, today voiced concern that the U.S. House of Representatives will "grease through" over 160 public lands bills, thereby avoiding the public review these bills deserve. In addition, BRC cautioned that recreational access tenets in some of the bills may have been intentionally removed in closed-door proceedings.
The Omnibus Public Lands Management Act of 2009 was fast-tracked through the U.S. Senate and could see a vote in the House as early as next week. The bill (S 22) is over 1,200 pages long with over 160 different bills, designates 2.2 million acres of Wilderness, identifies three new national parks, 1 national heritage areas, and designates over 1,000 miles of wild and scenic rivers.
BRC expressed concern that access protection provisions were apparently stripped from several of the bills involved. For example, new sections were added in the Washington County (Utah) Growth and Conservation Act regarding closure of roads and trails and limiting how Bureau of Land Management funds generated by the Act can be used.
"It is important that local collaborative efforts be sustained as legislation moves in Congress. Pushing these bills into law via the omnibus package allows powerful special interest groups in Washington D.C. to eliminate hard-won local consensus and ram through provisions that are contrary to the desires of those, on all sides of the issues, who actually visit these remarkable lands." said Brian Hawthorne, BRC's Public Lands Policy Director.
"This bill collectively reduces recreational opportunity, feeds millions of earmarked dollars into pe projects, will cost billions to implement, and provides very little of the protection it is touted to deliver," added Greg Mumm, the Coalition's Executive Director. "If this behemoth bill is any indication of the aggressive agenda in store for this congress, the American recreating public faces difficult challenges ahead," Mumm concluded.
Mumm said BRC will be encouraging its 600,000 members and supporters to contact their political representatives and encourage them to work to restore the locally-generated compromise provisions in these bills and oppose changes demanded by the large preservationist lobby in Washington D.C.
# # #
The BlueRibbon Coalition is a national recreation group that champions responsible recreation, and encourages individual environmental stewardship.. It represents over 10,000 individual members and 1,200 organization and business members, for a combined total of over 600,000 recreationists nationwide. 1-800-258-3742 www.sharetrails.org
BLUERIBBON COALITION, INC.
MEDIA RELEASE
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: Brian Hawthorne
BlueRibbon Coalition
208-237-1008 ext 102
DATE: February 4, 2009
BLUERIBBON COALITION EXPRESSES CONCERNS ABOUT HOUSE VOTE ON OMNIBUS LAND BILL
POCATELLO, ID (February 4) - The BlueRibbon Coalition (BRC), a national trail-based recreation group, today voiced concern that the U.S. House of Representatives will "grease through" over 160 public lands bills, thereby avoiding the public review these bills deserve. In addition, BRC cautioned that recreational access tenets in some of the bills may have been intentionally removed in closed-door proceedings.
The Omnibus Public Lands Management Act of 2009 was fast-tracked through the U.S. Senate and could see a vote in the House as early as next week. The bill (S 22) is over 1,200 pages long with over 160 different bills, designates 2.2 million acres of Wilderness, identifies three new national parks, 1 national heritage areas, and designates over 1,000 miles of wild and scenic rivers.
BRC expressed concern that access protection provisions were apparently stripped from several of the bills involved. For example, new sections were added in the Washington County (Utah) Growth and Conservation Act regarding closure of roads and trails and limiting how Bureau of Land Management funds generated by the Act can be used.
"It is important that local collaborative efforts be sustained as legislation moves in Congress. Pushing these bills into law via the omnibus package allows powerful special interest groups in Washington D.C. to eliminate hard-won local consensus and ram through provisions that are contrary to the desires of those, on all sides of the issues, who actually visit these remarkable lands." said Brian Hawthorne, BRC's Public Lands Policy Director.
"This bill collectively reduces recreational opportunity, feeds millions of earmarked dollars into pe projects, will cost billions to implement, and provides very little of the protection it is touted to deliver," added Greg Mumm, the Coalition's Executive Director. "If this behemoth bill is any indication of the aggressive agenda in store for this congress, the American recreating public faces difficult challenges ahead," Mumm concluded.
Mumm said BRC will be encouraging its 600,000 members and supporters to contact their political representatives and encourage them to work to restore the locally-generated compromise provisions in these bills and oppose changes demanded by the large preservationist lobby in Washington D.C.
# # #
The BlueRibbon Coalition is a national recreation group that champions responsible recreation, and encourages individual environmental stewardship.. It represents over 10,000 individual members and 1,200 organization and business members, for a combined total of over 600,000 recreationists nationwide. 1-800-258-3742 www.sharetrails.org
SinCityFJC
Adventurer
BLUERIBBON COALITION LAND USE UPDATE
Giant Omnibus Bill Goes Down by 1 Vote!!
Greg Mumm, BRC's Executive Director, just called me from Washington D.C. He told me that the infamous Omnibus Public Lands bill, commonly known as "S. 22," failed by 1 vote in the House.
The Omnibus Public Lands Management Act of 2009 had been fast-tracked through the U.S. Senate and had been expected to pass the House earlier today. Tell me one vote doesn't count! The bill is over 1,200 pages long with over 160 different bills, designates 2.2 million acres of Wilderness, identifies three new national parks, 10 national heritage areas, and designates over 1,000 miles of wild and scenic rivers.
We'll have details later. Thanks to all who made calls and emailed on this bill.
Brian Hawthorne
Public Lands Policy Director
BlueRibbon Coalition
208-237-1008 ext 10
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paulj
Expedition Leader
According to this Anchorage newspaper article one of the items in this bill (which failed the 2/3 vote) was for a road that would give allweather access to an airstrip in the Alaskan bush
http://www.adn.com/news/politics/story/719000.html
http://www.adn.com/news/politics/story/719000.html
SinCityFJC
Adventurer
I agree let each bill go through debate/system & if passed done so on it's own merits.
SinCityFJC
Adventurer
Here is an news article from the S.22 Omnibus Lands bill sponsor Jeff Bingaman (New Mexico and Senate Energy Committee Chairman)
spokeswoman Jude McCartin in local news:
http://www.lcsun-news.com/ci_11911049
Bingaman: Bill that could create monument in Robledos likely still has life
By Diana M. Alba/Sun-News reporter
Posted: 03/14/2009 12:00:00 AM MDT
Read the S. 22 bill that failed to pass the House on Wednesday
LAS CRUCES — U.S. Sen. Jeff Bingaman, D-N.M., plans to take a different route in attempting to pass legislation that would create a new national monument west of Las Cruces after an omnibus public lands bill he sponsored was defeated this week in the U.S. House. Jude McCartin, the senator's spokeswoman, said she believes enough support exists for it to be approved.
"We never considered this bill dead," she said...
...McCartin said Bingaman hopes to have the bill added as an amendment to a piece of House legislation that's soon to be considered by the Senate....
http://www.capitolhillreports.com/031509.htm
"The Senate on Monday will vote on Majority Leader Harry Reid's (D-NV) motion to proceed to H.R.146, the new vehicle for the omnibus lands bill that contains various authorizing provisions regarding national wilderness and water conservation along with research and monitoring initiatives. The vote is scheduled for 5:30 PM and will require 60 votes to move to debate on the measure. The chamber easily passed the lands legislation (S. 22) in January, but the House fell two votes shy of clearing the bill last week on a "suspension" vote, which required a two-thirds majority."
http://www.nationalcenter.org/2009/03/outrage-of-day-harry-reid-tries-again.html
Outrage of the Day: Harry Reid Tries Again
Today's Outrage of the Day goes to Senator Majority Leader Harry Reid for his reported intention to try again to get the monster Omnibus Public Land Management Act of 2009 (S. 22) into law without proper deliberation.
Following the bill's defeat last Wednesday (under suspension of rules) in the House, Reid reportedly plans to try again by attaching the huge bill as an amendment to a bill, H.R. 146, "The Revolutionary War and War of 1812 Battlefield Protection Act," that has already received House approval, and is to be voted on early this week in the Senate.
As National Center for Public Policy Research Senior Fellow R.J. Smith pointed out in this extensive commentary last week, it's likely that no one has read the bill-cum-amendment, as it's 1,294 pages long and nine inches thick. There have been no hearings, mark-ups or floor debate about most of it.
What's the hurry, Harry?
spokeswoman Jude McCartin in local news:
http://www.lcsun-news.com/ci_11911049
Bingaman: Bill that could create monument in Robledos likely still has life
By Diana M. Alba/Sun-News reporter
Posted: 03/14/2009 12:00:00 AM MDT
Read the S. 22 bill that failed to pass the House on Wednesday
LAS CRUCES — U.S. Sen. Jeff Bingaman, D-N.M., plans to take a different route in attempting to pass legislation that would create a new national monument west of Las Cruces after an omnibus public lands bill he sponsored was defeated this week in the U.S. House. Jude McCartin, the senator's spokeswoman, said she believes enough support exists for it to be approved.
"We never considered this bill dead," she said...
...McCartin said Bingaman hopes to have the bill added as an amendment to a piece of House legislation that's soon to be considered by the Senate....
http://www.capitolhillreports.com/031509.htm
"The Senate on Monday will vote on Majority Leader Harry Reid's (D-NV) motion to proceed to H.R.146, the new vehicle for the omnibus lands bill that contains various authorizing provisions regarding national wilderness and water conservation along with research and monitoring initiatives. The vote is scheduled for 5:30 PM and will require 60 votes to move to debate on the measure. The chamber easily passed the lands legislation (S. 22) in January, but the House fell two votes shy of clearing the bill last week on a "suspension" vote, which required a two-thirds majority."
http://www.nationalcenter.org/2009/03/outrage-of-day-harry-reid-tries-again.html
Outrage of the Day: Harry Reid Tries Again
Today's Outrage of the Day goes to Senator Majority Leader Harry Reid for his reported intention to try again to get the monster Omnibus Public Land Management Act of 2009 (S. 22) into law without proper deliberation.
Following the bill's defeat last Wednesday (under suspension of rules) in the House, Reid reportedly plans to try again by attaching the huge bill as an amendment to a bill, H.R. 146, "The Revolutionary War and War of 1812 Battlefield Protection Act," that has already received House approval, and is to be voted on early this week in the Senate.
As National Center for Public Policy Research Senior Fellow R.J. Smith pointed out in this extensive commentary last week, it's likely that no one has read the bill-cum-amendment, as it's 1,294 pages long and nine inches thick. There have been no hearings, mark-ups or floor debate about most of it.
What's the hurry, Harry?
SinCityFJC
Adventurer
BRC Urgent Action Alert
Immediate Action Requested
Omnibus Package Revived In Senate - Vote Scheduled Today
In our last update on the massive omnibus public lands bill, we cautioned our members that the package is far from dead. We wrote: "Worse, possible scenarios are being considered that will prohibit full review as well as opportunity to offer amendments."
True to form, Congress is pushing ahead with yet another vehicle for the omnibus package. This time it's H.R. 146 - "The Revolutionary War and War of 1812 Battlefield Acquisition Grant Program." This otherwise worthy bill will be amended to include the contents of the omnibus package. The Senate is expected to take the bill up at 2 p.m. eastern with the first cloture vote due as early as 5:30 p.m.
At this point it looks as if the Senate leadership will either strike a deal to limit amendments in order for the bill to move quickly, or they will just push it through without allowing any opportunity for amendments. Either way, the bill is likely to see its first cloture vote TODAY!
If the Senate passes the measure it is expected that House leadership will attempt to jam it through via one or more "closed rule" options. D.C. insiders expect House leadership to call the legislation up as a "preferential bill," which would prohibit committee review and limit amendments.
BRC is asking all of our members and supporters to call their Senators NOW. Finding their phone number is easy. Click here - http://www.sharetrails.org/rapid_response/ and enter your Zip code. Simply tell your Senator that you oppose the Omnibus Public Lands Act and you want them to vote NO on H.R. 146.
Be brief. Be polite. Do it NOW.
As always, if you have any questions or need assistance call or email.
Brian Hawthorne
Public Lands Policy Director
BlueRibbon Coalition
208-237-1008 ext 102
Jonathan Hanson
Well-known member
The omnibus bill includes more than 2 million acres of new wilderness in nine states, establish three new national park units, a new national monument, three new national conservation areas, more than 1,000 miles of national wild and scenic rivers and four new national trails. It would enlarge the boundaries of more than a dozen existing national park units and establish 10 new national heritage areas.
Wilderness Bills:
1. Wild Monogahela Wilderness - WV
2. Virginia Ridge and Valley Wilderness - VA
3. Mt. Hood Wilderness - OR
4. Copper Salmon Wilderness - OR
5. Cascade Siskyou National Monument (Includes Soda Mt. Wilderness) - OR
6. Owyhee Public Land Management - ID
7. Sabinoso Wilderness - NM
8. Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore Wilderness - MI
9. Oregon Badlands Wilderness - OR
10. Spring Basin Wilderness - OR
11. Eastern Sierra and Northern San Gabriel Wilderness - CA
12. Riverside County Wilderness - CA
13. Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Park Wilderness - CA
14. Rocky Mountain National Park Wilderness - CA
15. Washington County - UT **
The bill will protect more than 1 million acres of the Wyoming Range from oil and gas development. The bill also includes the Forest Landscape Restoration Act and the San Joaquin River Restoration Settlement Act.
In addition to these terrestrial protections, five important oceans bills from the Commerce Committee were added to the omnibus. These include: NOAA Undersea Research Program Act, the Ocean and Coastal Mapping Integration Act, the Integrated Coastal and Ocean Observation System Act, the Federal Ocean Acidification Research and Monitoring Act, and finally the Coastal and Estuarine Land Conservation Program.
I'm sorry it failed, and I believe our grandchildren will be sorry too. I'll be calling my congressmen and telling them to support it in whatever form it might reappear.
Wilderness Bills:
1. Wild Monogahela Wilderness - WV
2. Virginia Ridge and Valley Wilderness - VA
3. Mt. Hood Wilderness - OR
4. Copper Salmon Wilderness - OR
5. Cascade Siskyou National Monument (Includes Soda Mt. Wilderness) - OR
6. Owyhee Public Land Management - ID
7. Sabinoso Wilderness - NM
8. Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore Wilderness - MI
9. Oregon Badlands Wilderness - OR
10. Spring Basin Wilderness - OR
11. Eastern Sierra and Northern San Gabriel Wilderness - CA
12. Riverside County Wilderness - CA
13. Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Park Wilderness - CA
14. Rocky Mountain National Park Wilderness - CA
15. Washington County - UT **
The bill will protect more than 1 million acres of the Wyoming Range from oil and gas development. The bill also includes the Forest Landscape Restoration Act and the San Joaquin River Restoration Settlement Act.
In addition to these terrestrial protections, five important oceans bills from the Commerce Committee were added to the omnibus. These include: NOAA Undersea Research Program Act, the Ocean and Coastal Mapping Integration Act, the Integrated Coastal and Ocean Observation System Act, the Federal Ocean Acidification Research and Monitoring Act, and finally the Coastal and Estuarine Land Conservation Program.
I'm sorry it failed, and I believe our grandchildren will be sorry too. I'll be calling my congressmen and telling them to support it in whatever form it might reappear.
1leglance
2007 Expedition Trophy Champion, Overland Certifie
My only issue with the Bill was the attempts to rush through without debate.
I don't like that things can be amendments or attachements. Worthly projects should be able to stand on their own merits.
I agree Jonathan that parts of the Bill were good, but how do we know it ALL was? It was somthing over 1000 pages, and honestly who could read all of that and support every bit?
I really wish Bill's were single issued but that is not how our gov works. Thus I let my position be known and have to trust my lawmakers do act according. And each person should do the same and we might have a chance to save the wild places that are without roads, and save the places that have roads so we can visit those also.
I don't like that things can be amendments or attachements. Worthly projects should be able to stand on their own merits.
I agree Jonathan that parts of the Bill were good, but how do we know it ALL was? It was somthing over 1000 pages, and honestly who could read all of that and support every bit?
I really wish Bill's were single issued but that is not how our gov works. Thus I let my position be known and have to trust my lawmakers do act according. And each person should do the same and we might have a chance to save the wild places that are without roads, and save the places that have roads so we can visit those also.
Jonathan Hanson
Well-known member
I understand Lance's position, and I tend to agree about tacked-on bills.
However, it's easy to assume, as many have been doing, that because the original omnibus bill was rushed through, that all its components had also been hastily invented out of nowhere, which is not the case. Most of the individual proposals had been under consideration for some time.
My default position is and has always been to err on the side of too much protection rather than not enough - because not enough is what we've been getting for a long time.
However, it's easy to assume, as many have been doing, that because the original omnibus bill was rushed through, that all its components had also been hastily invented out of nowhere, which is not the case. Most of the individual proposals had been under consideration for some time.
My default position is and has always been to err on the side of too much protection rather than not enough - because not enough is what we've been getting for a long time.
1leglance
2007 Expedition Trophy Champion, Overland Certifie
Valid point...both on the parts getting consideration & the lack of protection.
I just wish there was a way to know what had gotten consideration and what hadn't.
Somone made an excellent point in another thread...it is a full time job trying to keep up with the ascepts of each hobby as related to legislation on the local, state & fed level.
I know the "good ol' days" weren't really that good but they did seem simpler (or I was less aware which is more likely the case).
If nothing else we are getting people involved and no matter what your position at least having one counts for something!
I just wish there was a way to know what had gotten consideration and what hadn't.
Somone made an excellent point in another thread...it is a full time job trying to keep up with the ascepts of each hobby as related to legislation on the local, state & fed level.
I know the "good ol' days" weren't really that good but they did seem simpler (or I was less aware which is more likely the case).
If nothing else we are getting people involved and no matter what your position at least having one counts for something!