another prediction that XTerra is finished
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thebrassnuckles
Explorer
Well on a very mountainous trip pulling a pretty heavily loaded 4runner my jeep averaged about 14 mpg.
That was a hell of a drive, the jeep did not enjoy pulling the 4Runner 1200 miles all but nonstop.
That was a hell of a drive, the jeep did not enjoy pulling the 4Runner 1200 miles all but nonstop.
Come on. Are you really comparing a Leave Sprung 1990 YJ to a 2013 Coil Sprung JK? (Or I guess I should say a 2011 JK)
I would also like to see these Motortrend Tests you're referring to. The only one I could find was dated from 2008 and even it states that the JK is more capable off-road than the X. However the X wins first place because it is almost as capable off-road compared to the JK and has better road manors.
I am not loyal to one brand or the other, I myself have thought about buying an X, but to say an all stock Pro-X4 will beat an all stock Rubicon "hands down". Come on. Both are good trucks and both have their advantages and disadvantages.
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thebrassnuckles
Explorer
You can get a rubi for just over 30k. Not damn near 40k. I paid 36 for mine and its got quite a few options.
I bought mine for the SFA. Anything else still have one of those?
GetOutThere
Adventurer
When I bought my '12 Rubi I couldn't build a Pro4x xTerra for the same price.
The xterra was more expensive.
The xterra had less options.
The xterra had a worse interior by far.
When I test drove it I also was not impressed at the harshness of ride, and how noisy it was. After testing the Jeep I expected a smoother, quieter ride. Neither were different enough to be a game changer.
I found the xterra to be outdated and outclassed in all regards. I can see why it would be discontinued, though it saddens me to see another decent wheeling platform off the market.
The xterra was more expensive.
The xterra had less options.
The xterra had a worse interior by far.
When I test drove it I also was not impressed at the harshness of ride, and how noisy it was. After testing the Jeep I expected a smoother, quieter ride. Neither were different enough to be a game changer.
I found the xterra to be outdated and outclassed in all regards. I can see why it would be discontinued, though it saddens me to see another decent wheeling platform off the market.
I'd argue that this is a matter of opinion. Oddly enough, when I picked up my Xterra I drove Jeeps as well. I found them to have poor rides, were pricier than my X, didn't have near the useful space, and their interiors were outdated.
Since then I've wheeled my X pretty hard and not have any real problems, outside of things one would normally expect.
Since then I've wheeled my X pretty hard and not have any real problems, outside of things one would normally expect.
Just because you look at one aspect of something does not mean that it beats something else "hands down".
IF you look at offroad ability vs.......the JK beats the X hands down.
"10k for lockers and tires?"
No, 10k for:
Front and rear HD D44s.
Front and rear Lockers.
4:1 Transfer Case.
Electronic disconnecting sway bars.
Better ground clearance.
Better approuch, brake over and departure angles.
Better off road tires.
Like I said in my last post, both of these are good trucks. Both have their pros and cons. Neither beats the other one "hands down".
drbandkgb
Xterra Junky
You can't argue about the SFA... For wheeling it is the best.. but it lacks the on road manors that a great DD should have.
That is why Toyota and every other platform has dropped it. As far as MPG it kills a rig too. Im pretty sure that is on everyones mind these days.
Jeep is a ICON.. No doubt about it. Do not take my posting as being combative about this topic.. I have owned both rigs and have found both generation Xterras to meet
my needs much better than the Jeeps I have owned. Too me the features vs price the Xterra is the winner..
Yes the Gen 2 Xterra is starting to look dated.. 2005-2014 is a long time for a model.. But there is a Gen 3 heading down the pipes and it will be a body on frame based SUV.
Jeep will always be king due to their understanding of the aftermarket. They release designs to aftermarket vendors like crazy.. Nissan sadly hasnt caught on yet..
I was told by a person in the know at the Smyrna plant that if the off road market was in Japan Nissan would be all over it. But Nissan USA is slow to jump on the train.
I will say that if the Xterra was killed off I would look at a JK and Frontier..
That is why Toyota and every other platform has dropped it. As far as MPG it kills a rig too. Im pretty sure that is on everyones mind these days.
Jeep is a ICON.. No doubt about it. Do not take my posting as being combative about this topic.. I have owned both rigs and have found both generation Xterras to meet
my needs much better than the Jeeps I have owned. Too me the features vs price the Xterra is the winner..
Yes the Gen 2 Xterra is starting to look dated.. 2005-2014 is a long time for a model.. But there is a Gen 3 heading down the pipes and it will be a body on frame based SUV.
Jeep will always be king due to their understanding of the aftermarket. They release designs to aftermarket vendors like crazy.. Nissan sadly hasnt caught on yet..
I was told by a person in the know at the Smyrna plant that if the off road market was in Japan Nissan would be all over it. But Nissan USA is slow to jump on the train.
I will say that if the Xterra was killed off I would look at a JK and Frontier..
I do want to address this. The Pro4X model of the Xterra is $30K (MSRP). That's with the rear lockers and upgraded stereo. The Rubicon, with the dual top option (that way we're comparing hard tops to hard tops) is $37K. Not quite sure on the stereo specs, but that might require an additional grand to be comparable.
Given that, I'm not sure what you're going on about. It seems to be completely opposite of what you're saying. Additionally, it seems that I could buy the X, throw aftermarket bumpers ($2K), skids ($1K), sliders ($500), and air lockers front and rear ($3K) for roughly the same price.
GetOutThere
Adventurer
I bought my 2012 Rubicon for $34k all in.
That is with hard top, heated front seats, and the premium stereo, and connectivity group.
The premium stereo consists of 7 infinity speakers including 8" sub, steering wheel controls, Bluetooth, and USB integration.
When I built the xTerra in 2012, it was more expensive, and had less options.
But this was 2012... many things may have changed, right?
Building a '13 Rubicon unlimited:
$37,385 - with hard top, automatic.
Building a '13 Pro4x
$37,702 - auto
Both built using the Canadian websites.
Additionally the Rubicon parts are all factory and thus covered under factory warranty, and also financeable.
If I were to give the Pro4x the wheel locks, and rubber cargo mat that the Rubicon comes with, it would be another $210.
The Rubicon also has many available options that the Nissan does not, such as heated seats, the front and rear Dana 44 axles, front locker, front electronic swaybar disconnect, 4.10 gearing and 4-1 Tcase.
Given all of the above, I fail to see how the xTerra is in any way a better deal than a 4 door Rubicon.
Note: I am not trying to get into an xTerra/Jeep pissing match. Just relaying the facts from my shopping both current and past, and using it to formulate a personal opinion on the possible discontinuation of the xTerra.
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stioc
Expedition Leader
So three years after this thread was started the X is still here, I've considered buying a new one as my daily and then turning it into what my Pathy is 3-5 years down the road.
So does anyone here have any real intel on the future plans/direction? drkgband said there's a new one in the works...what is it, when is it coming out etc?
So does anyone here have any real intel on the future plans/direction? drkgband said there's a new one in the works...what is it, when is it coming out etc?
Colonal Angus
Adventurer
My dad works at Nissan USA and he did, in fact, hear that the Xterra will no longer be offered after 2014. The X is growing on me a lot. The builds here are incredible and prove that the X is an awesome platform and affordable.....especially if bought used.
My prices were straight from the websites today. I added as few options as I could to make things equal, but took that trim level. No automatics because automatics are lame. Row your own. American websites, too. Maybe there's some weird Canadian surcharge?
As for how the Xterra is better, it's an Xterra. Duh. Four-wheeled hellcat from the planet kickass. Ninja hauler.
This is the difference ... for some reason, the Xterra in Canada (don't know about the Frontier, or other Nissans, but I'd assume they'd be similar) carries more of a premium than other makes/models. This has come up occasionally on The New X, in threads that discuss purchase prices.
Also, to revisit the MPG discussion a bit, one thing I don't see brought up is the difference in efficiency between the Nissan MT and AT ... in the 2nd Gen Xterra, for whatever reason (again), there seems to be at least 1-2 and sometimes more like 3-4 MPGs to be had from the manual over the automatic. I've got a manual, and have been religious about tracking (gallons in/miles driven, with correction for tire size as needed) and see an average of around 17mpg for my daily driving (mostly commute of ~20 miles one-way, some highway) ... with full roof rack, skid plates, sliders and heavy 33" Toyo Mud Tires. Folks similarly equipped, with an auto, tend to report anywhere from 11 or 12 on the low end, to about a best of ~14-15 on the high end; in mixed driving. When bone stock, I saw highs of 22-23 mpg for extended stretches of highway-only driving ... that kind of MPG is unheard of for the guys with autos (who are lucky to hit 20-21).