Belafonte Reboot....Ambulance to 4x4 Camper Conversion

rlrenz

Explorer
MNtal picked Rambulance, and since I was planning to haul the family (wife + 2 Shih Tzus), Fambulance kinda fell into place. I wanted to indicate that it was built by American LaFrance, which explains using part of their eagle / cross logo. I also wanted to come up with something that would tell the constabulary that I was NOT an ambulance. My logo may go on the body, or it may be limited to a magnetic sign for the door - not sure what yet. I also wanted something that I could do without major sign shop involvement. The aluminum module body, plus the existing doors, cabinets, and windows, all limit the size of whatever I decide to do.
 

guidolyons

Addicted to Gear Oil
Belefonte (or whatever the new name will be) is looking good!:sombrero:

Woo Freakin Hoo! I finally got my D60 hung and sweet baby jesus was that an ordeal. I loaded it in the bed of my truck easy enough using a tow motor at my shop, but getting it out of my truck was fun. I muscled that bugger out that hard way, IE by hand with a ********-pot full of gruntin and groanin.

A $100-$150 engine hoist is cheaper than a visit to the ER or back surgery! Engine hoist/crane is very helpful around the shop, not just for hoisting engines.

Drives like crap! It's a slug. I had my doubts the 4.10s were going to cut it with the 37s and it seems I was right. I'm thinking 4.56 or 4.88. Might wait and see a bit before I pull the trigger on that, but I'm expecting a gear change.

I decided to leave the rear wheel wells as is, except I pulled the flairs and I don't think they'll be going back on. All yours Pat.
No reason to cut the rear wheel wells unless you are rubbing at full stuff. Stock ambo wheelwell looks better IMHO

It's a slug! Man those 37s killed it. Pretty sure 4.10s are whats in it and I'm thinking 4.56/4.88.
Mine goes pretty good with the 37's and 4:10's
Maybe the turbo is the big difference.

Same here, I have 4.10s and 37s (BFG KM2) and feel like it has plenty of low end grunt, cruises 70MPH@ 2000 RPM...I could even run a larger tire or even run 3.55s to drop RPM a bit, but I like the lower gears for off-road...but I've got 7.3 Powerstroke and ZF 5 speed. I would think with 4.56/4.88 you'd be screaming at highway speed.

Could be the slushbox too, Automatics suck the power. Is it E4OD?
Maybe add a turbo before you change gears?

Drove it to the alignment shop which was scary as hog snot. Thing was WAY out of whack. Not as scary as after the alignment shop though. Seemed great till I hit the first good bump at about 45 mph and then death wobble that almost had me in the ditch. BAD. Second worst I've ever experienced. I know they set the toe at essentially nuetral which is what they say factory specs call for on that model year F-350(what the axle came from) but I just heard back from Chris that he recommends .125 total toe. I took it back and had them hook up the track bar. I didnt do that myself because I could have swore I read in the instructions, or saw in the videos, that you should drive it just a bit and then install it. Might have screwed the pooch on that one.

So they installed the track bar and so far its golden. I white knuckled my way across some pot holes here and there and no wobble. I'm still going to go back and have them readjust that toe, but so far seems the track bar did the trick.
What's your caster set at?
Yep, death wobble is no joke. Chris says the 6" needs a trackbar. In theory, a leafsprung suspension should not need a trackbar to locate the axle, but even some Ford SuperDuties came with track bar and leaf springs. Glad the trackbar cured the death wobble. :beer:

Over in Chris' UJOR thread, there's a few posts on the different thread pitch for 4 wheel ABS vs rear wheel ABS unit bearing hubs.
 

tgreening

Expedition Leader
The Powerstrokes are juuust a bit ahead of the game power wise compared to the idi. I did some calculating and seems 4.88s will put me back almost exactly where I was when it was stock. IE 4.88s and 37s is the same as the 4.10s and 31s. Supposedly towing rpm for the NA idi is between 1600-2500 rpm, so 4.88s will have me at about 2100rpm @65 mph. Might be a tad high for best highway fuel efficiency, but I should be more or less at the sweet spot for pulling any kind of load, and I'd rather have that

I might settle for the 4.56s with the idea of dropping in a turbo kit down the road, but 4.10s really arent cuttin it for me.
 

AMBOT

Adventurer
I've been happy with the 4.56 and 35in tire but that is with a chip and a turbo. The thing really moves when it's needed but I accelerate slow and limit the highway to about 65 and RPM in the low 2k. I'm within 250 lb of gvwr and have a lot to still add so I expect most Ambo's are at or exceed gvwr.
 

rlrenz

Explorer
I don't know about the GVWR of smaller ambulances, but my Freightliner / Medic-Master ambulance has a maximum GVWR of 20,000 Lbs. With a bare unit weight of 14,880 Lbs, the allowable load is 5120 Lbs (people + equipment).
 

AMBOT

Adventurer
Max for me is 11,500. Bare weight is 10,700. Seems limited by the factory tires and wheels as it has a D70HD rear axle good for 10,000 and a front D60 good for 6,500. Big brake upgrade in the front. The new tires are good for 6,000 ea. That's great you have so much factory headroom.
 

rlrenz

Explorer
The Medium ambulances usually carry rescue equipment so the driver & attendant don't have to wait for a separate rescue truck - I have a side compartment that measures 42x44x22" deep that used to haul rescue gear - I'll use it for an ONAN 4 kW generator, generator fuel, and a generator starting battery. That's one of the reasons why I went with a medium ambulance---STORAGE. I love every square inch of it. On the other hand, though, I have something that's bigger, not very nimble, won't fit through small access points, costs more to fix (you learn real fast to just buy parts at your friendly FL dealer - the shop should be avoided....). Me? I just wanted a medium ambulance (stutter air horns!!)
 

tgreening

Expedition Leader
Still working on this paint thing, cause you guys are sure no help. ;) I could picture doing something along these lines. It avoids what to me is the hard part of painting one of these and that's once you start climbing up over the hood/cab, and get too high up the box getting into all the lights. The lower section is easier to reach and requires way less masking. Not too sure about the black. Looking a little too County Sheriff I think.


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patoz

Expedition Leader
I think you should paint the back of it to look like a cage full of trunk monkeys! Well, at least you gotta have a sticker...

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Seriously, if you had a theme of some sort, it would be easier to come up with a color scheme.
 

guidolyons

Addicted to Gear Oil
The Powerstrokes are juuust a bit ahead of the game power wise compared to the idi. I did some calculating and seems 4.88s will put me back almost exactly where I was when it was stock. IE 4.88s and 37s is the same as the 4.10s and 31s. Supposedly towing rpm for the NA idi is between 1600-2500 rpm, so 4.88s will have me at about 2100rpm @65 mph. Might be a tad high for best highway fuel efficiency, but I should be more or less at the sweet spot for pulling any kind of load, and I'd rather have that

I might settle for the 4.56s with the idea of dropping in a turbo kit down the road, but 4.10s really arent cuttin it for me.

Sounds good, I should add that my PSD is a 1996 version with no intercooler, so I imagine it would be similar to an IDI with turbo? My Scout weighs 6,000lbs, but the ambo probably weighs 10,000lbs too. Anyway, just wanted to give you some input with a similar drive train.

I wish my wife thought a 4x4 ambulance expedition vehicle was as cool as I do. :sombrero:
 
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tgreening

Expedition Leader
Sounds good, I should add that my PSD is a 1996 version with no intercooler, so I imagine it would be similar to an IDI with turbo? My Scout weighs 6,000lbs, but the ambo probably weighs 10,000lbs too. Anyway, just wanted to give you some input with a similar drive train.

I wish my wife thought a 4x4 ambulance expedition vehicle was as cool as I do. :sombrero:


No, the idi w/turbo (factory) is still a slug. It had about a 5 hp bump over the plain idi and a similarly pathetic difference in torque. Other than being able to say "turbo" in the marketing I'm not sure what the point was. The powerstrokes were where the big bump came in, even the non-intercooled. I'm not looking forward to the process but I imagine I'll end up using a hypermax kit, and still doing gears. I'm not looking for maximum highway fuel economy. I'd rather have a bit of grunt in the system. My goal is to be able to comfortabley tow my car hauler with my J-truck on it.

Maybe I'm doing the idi a disservice but I guess I'm spoiled by the power of the modern diesels. My 6.4 is a 500+ hp beast and can still pull in a solid 15 mpg average on the highway (unloaded). The down side is for the price of one injector I can just about buy an entire set for the idi. Hehe.
 

tgreening

Expedition Leader
I think you should paint the back of it to look like a cage full of trunk monkeys! Well, at least you gotta have a sticker...

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Seriously, if you had a theme of some sort, it would be easier to come up with a color scheme.


Oh dont worry, I have a plan for my Tactical Trunk Monkey. :)

I havent decided on a solid theme yet, but the above should give a general indication. Something fun. Look up those logos and you'll get the idea. The other idea was something fun military, but not the army truck thing. That's been done to death. More along the lines of an airforce grey jet fighter kind of thing. Rivets and compartment labels and what-not.

Like this....

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I am sooo willing to rip off that idea. :)
 

patoz

Expedition Leader
More along the lines of an airforce grey jet fighter kind of thing. Rivets and compartment labels and what-not.

Funny you should mention that, because that's one of the ideas I had also. A light gray with subdude lettering, just a shade darker like this F-18 Super Hornet. You could still leave the upper portion white and it would tie in OK, I believe.

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tgreening

Expedition Leader
Good news Everyone! Backing up my driveway saturday and reverse in my freshly rebuilt tranny flew south for the summer. Good times. Good times...
 

patoz

Expedition Leader
So stop backing up and just go forward... :sombrero:


Seriously man, you have had more than your share of problems with that part of the build! Sorry to hear that.
 

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