building my 95 fj80 for overland

ADTR14

Observer
Look into the F.O.R lift (Frankies offroad). Its 3.5" and is designed to use 35" tires with progressive coils and used to be bilstein shocks, but I think he might be using something different now? I have heard nothing but good things about the on and offroad ride quality of this set-up.

You can fit 33's with no lift btw.
 

krokarthecrooked

New member
Ok well like i said im lookin at diff options i have a 70 FJ40 that is set up to play in the rocks so i have experience there was kinda hopin to come up with a decent combo but not sure that is possible i did say that i want this rig to handle anything i can throw at it. but let me rephrase that a touch im not going to go rock crwlin with this rig but i do want it very capable so that bein said i greatly appreciate all your input on this and im thinkin 33's and a 4 inch might be the way to go. as far as gears i would like to find somethin between 4;88 and 5;29's not sure there is anything but am gonna do some research on this.


Thank you all for your input and help much appreciated

Dan
 

rain76king

Adventurer
I have a 97 lx450 and live in Mass./Maine and I run a 4inch lift with 35's. I tow a Bundu Safari trailer,norcold60,mt45,armored,rear swingout. tons of gear. Truck performs great offroad in my opinion.
I have done my research, there are some great FJ80 mechanics here in the east and 4:88's are the way to go. Certainly if you are traveling you don't want 5:29's. Especialy when hitting eastern highways where if you move at 70mph you become a obstacle!
 

krokarthecrooked

New member
Cool i was thinkin more like 5;13's not realyy 5;29's as i know im gonna be really low geared but would like to find that certain spot i have 4;88's in my 91 with 31's and they are great but im wonderin if i could go just a little lower like 5;13;s or somethin like it and thats why im postin in here to find that happy medium if i can find that Lol thanks



Dan
 

greentruck

Adventurer
Just to further stir the pot, you really don't need a lift to run 33s on an 80.

Ours is set-up for expedition work on 33s with the "stock" lift heavy OME coils (details in sig). We have to fit in a garage that's only ~6'6" and running the 2.5" OMEs would have the truck grazing the top if it took a bad bounce going in.
 
To the OP, I think it is a great idea to drive around the US before you head on your Americas trip. Great way to work out kinks and find what works for you and what does not. If you have time try to read Dave Connors' blog about his drive to Argentina in an 80 series.

33" Tires
2" Heavy OME
Slee Short Bus front bumper *
4x4 Labs rear *

I agree with the above. Definitely no need for 35's. Even 33's are hard to find outside the US and quite expensive.

I drive a 60 so I cannot comment on diffs, I am running with 4.11's out of an 80 and doing quite well with 33's. My main mistake was going with 15" instead of 16 inch wheels which are more widely available in Latin America.

And BTW alexrex20 keep the comments on the OP's request if you can find it in your heart...
 

sprocket3

Adventurer
To the OP, I think it is a great idea to drive around the US before you head on your Americas trip. Great way to work out kinks and find what works for you and what does not. If you have time try to read Dave Connors' blog about his drive to Argentina in an 80 series.



I agree with the above. Definitely no need for 35's. Even 33's are hard to find outside the US and quite expensive.

I drive a 60 so I cannot comment on diffs, I am running with 4.11's out of an 80 and doing quite well with 33's. My main mistake was going with 15" instead of 16 inch wheels which are more widely available in Latin America.

And BTW alexrex20 keep the comments on the OP's request if you can find it in your heart...

Gears:

I think the standard is to go with 4.88 w/33s from what I have read on ih8mud. From what i recall this brings it just a little below stock ratios. I have stock gears on mine and it's a drag on big hills loaded down with 33s.
 

mattafact

Adventurer
I have 5.29s with my 37s and it's awesome. I keep it at 2600 rpm on the highway and that works out to just about 65mph. For 35s I'd go 4.88 though.

I'm building an overland 4runner for South America and I'm going with a 235/85/16. It's not exactly sexy but it's common down there.
 

Nay

Observer
Ok well like i said im lookin at diff options i have a 70 FJ40 that is set up to play in the rocks so i have experience there was kinda hopin to come up with a decent combo but not sure that is possible i did say that i want this rig to handle anything i can throw at it. but let me rephrase that a touch im not going to go rock crwlin with this rig but i do want it very capable so that bein said i greatly appreciate all your input on this and im thinkin 33's and a 4 inch might be the way to go. as far as gears i would like to find somethin between 4;88 and 5;29's not sure there is anything but am gonna do some research on this.


Thank you all for your input and help much appreciated

Dan

A couple of thoughts:

1) Once you have tires and gears on your 80, you will crawl it because you'll be amazed at what it does in silly levels of comfort. 33's don't buy you anything over 35's except smaller tires, because both fit easily on any amount of lift.

2) 5.29's vs. 4.88's is not about how far you drive. It is about how fast you drive. This is always true with an automatic transmission. You will not much like 5.29's with 35's or even 37's if you want to drive over 70 mph over great distances. However, if 65-70 mph is your cruising speed, 4.88's will simply leave you at lower RPM and out of the power band, whereas 5.29's are perfect. I know this because I ran 5.29's with 35's and now run them with 37's. Personally, pulling a trailer, I am not driving over 70 mph, and I am running 35's on an 80 with 5.29's.

Also, 4.88's on 33's is a fairly high ratio given the point of sticking with 33's is keeping top speed headroom (at least for a U.S. trip). Most people on 33's leave the diff gearing stock as 33's are a bit of a no-man's-land in terms of gearing, so going 35's allows you to be more definitive in choosing a gear ratio that makes a difference.

The net is to not fear low gearing if you don't need 80 mph headroom top cruising speeds. 5.29 means you gear once and forget it. 5.13 is not an option for the 80, and 4.88 lowers the gearing about 6% over stock on 35's so it is a very good balance.

I agree with not overbuilding, but the reality for most of us cube dwellers is that a visually appealing rig keeps a smile on our faces and our imaginations alive. That is probably worth the money you will spend as much as anything you are planning to do.

:ylsmoke:
 

sprocket3

Adventurer
OP should do some searches on the land cruiser site regarding gearing as it has been debated to death over there. It's been a year or more since I did much searching, but I thought that a lot of people really liked the 33s with 4.88 but I could be wrong.

I have 33s and stock gearing in a built up 80. When it comes to the highway and a decent hill to climb she really needs lower gears. It's just too high geared for the load and low power engine. I have to shift it down into 2nd in order to get the RPMs up, or just floor the pedal. When i drove a 100% stock 80 a few months ago I was amazed at the difference.

Though it's great on the flat as it just rolls along at 70-80 mph for hours.
 

cweight

Observer
overland = heavy and slow

I agree with keeping the tires smaller and the lift lower. With overland, you need to be thinking more about heavy loads and long distances, and less about rock crawling. When loaded down with food, water, beer, fuel, rescue gear, books, etc, etc, you want your center of gravity as low as possible. You might not be able to tackle the Rubicon, but you can almost anywhere else safely and comfortably. That also tends to keep you more stock, which makes it much easier to find parts.

I would spend my time/money:
+ getting the longest range fuel tanks possible;
+ think about _living_ in you vehicle for months on end - have lots of storage handy, for books, maps, hats, glasses, binocs, hand cream, sun cream, pens, journals, etc etc;
+ think about your cooking situation and being able to eat really well - for example, we use a camp stove oven which folds down really small - once the store-bought bread is gone, my wife bakes more - she uses the hot engine compartment for rising and then bakes in the camp stove oven
+ think about comfy sleeping - padding and really warm sleeping bags

Others may have a different set of priorities, but my experience is that for a few weeks, anything flies, but after a few months, those small luxuries really do help. Notice that all that stuff adds up in weight. So I have made the choice to carry all that crap, but skip some rock-crawling.

If interested, follow my build-up sig link to see what I have done with my LC.
 

targa88

Explorer
To the OP = reliability is key.
Every time that you change some part of the geometry/dynamic there is not always an offset or compensating factor for it.
Smaller, lighter generally last longer.
OEM configurations are easier to find replacement parts for also.
In particular wheel size: extra weight and rolling resistance as you increase tyre size (although it might afford some additional clearance) puts more strain on the system.
Common sizes are also easier to replace if they can not be repaired.

I also ascribe to the theory that just because I am travelling/living in my rig - I don't have to be miserable. This does not necessarily equate to glamping. However I prefer my thicker sleeping pad to the original Thermarest I was using.
Fuel capacity and a fridge almost seem like the best mods you can have!

Notwithstanding every one's advice (including mine) - it will be trial and error to find out what works best for you. The 80 series is a great base to start with - but it doesn't have to be overdone/overbuilt to accomplish what you want to do...
 

sprocket3

Adventurer
Another idea: See if you can get a loaner set of 33s to try out for a week. Then load your cruiser up with bags of sand to final expected GVW and drive it around. Be sure to hit the hills and take some long trips. Then figure it's going to be lifted and more of the extra weight will be at the ends of the rig, rather than in the center. Even worse if you have a roof rack with it up real high. This will give you a good idea what to expect with power and ride of a loaded 80.


I'm at about 7000 pounds with 2 adults in the rig and gear for a weekend. I think some people would be pushing 8000 pounds GVW.
 
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krokarthecrooked

New member
Much appreciated all i currently have a 91 FJ80 with 4;88's and 31's towing my adventure trailer it deff lacks this i know from experience going from Nevada to Illinoise and back fully loaded rig with 4 people and gear. That is why im lookin at the 5;29's and 33's im not really worried about highway speed 65 to 70 is fine with me im not a speed freak hehe. as far as the lift goes yes it will be a touch top heavy with a 4 inch lift but i think it will give me what im lookin for but im not stuck on that either. i am lookin at all my options. yes i will be lookin at storage for sure and long range fuel tanks im already workin on building my on drawers and storage system for my 95 Fj80 i think im in the ball park with this build but i am deff listenin to all your advice and thoughts it is very much appreciated and all of u have really good advice Thank You

Dan
 

Wheelingnoob

Adventurer
One thing to remember is that the 95 has the 4.5L 1FZ-FE and its got quite a bit more power than the 3FE in the 91 Fj80. That would change the gearing selection around a bit too.

I am going over the same questions myself when it comes to tires and gearing. I do not plan on towing anything so that does change things a bit. I keep flip flopping from 315/75R16 and a re-gear to 4.88's or 255/285's an stock gearing. I like the look of the 315's on the rig but have no need for that size.

Lots of people on ih8mud run 255/85's and 285/75's (both 33's) with out issue on stock gearing with the 1FZ-FE. Granted most of them are not towing or are heavily loaded. Do not see anyone talking about going to 4.88's till they get into the 315/75 (35") tires.

All of this is just what I have been reading and researching. I just got my truck and want to build it once and right so have not tried any of this myself yet.

Jeremy
 

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