GR8ADV
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nope. But what suspension is on that rig?
Can anyones fuso do this
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nope. But what suspension is on that rig?
Victorian
Approved Vendor : Total Composites
I saw some pictures of some testing being done while working at Unicat. You wouldn't believe how far they can lean over and still being safe! What you see in those pictures is nothing!
mog
Kodiak Buckaroo
While making for great photos and advertising, how may real world places "off-road" have nice smooth wooden or concrete slopes and angles? Try the same say 40 degree side slope in the real world and bump the uphill tire up over a rock, or drop the down hill tire into a rut and your results will surly vary.
Mercedes has an awesome test track for the Unimogs, etc that gives impressive demonstrations and I'm sure gives the real world data to the millions of dollar worth of engineers they have. Same for Unicat, lots of rocket-science engineers with the support of a huge company to figure that out.
Also the Unimog in the photos started it's life and design as an off-road truck, not a city delivery truck like the Fuso did, so why compare the two?
If you are pointing out that a truck with a huge development background in both decades and money, doing what it it was designed to do from the git-go, with millions in extra engineering design and support can do more off-road then my 'city delivery' Fuso with the $22.97 USD in engineering support by me, well yes, I bow to the Unimog/Unicats superiority (related to offroad operations, not acquisition costs, operating costs, value, on road usefulness, etc).
Now if we are using nice smooth ramps to simulate off-road approach & departure angeles, break-over angles and side slopes, I guess my next purchase is going to be a 1933 British Doubledecker bus, since almost 30 degrees of side slope seems to be no problem.
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GR8ADV
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Dude your are killing me. Chill please. This was never about how great or how bad your particular rig is or why one is better than the other. Clearly they are vastly different machines. It was a question of curiosity about FUSO's and lean angles. I have a FUSO. I am interested in information in this regard. The Unicat picture caught my eye and got me wondering. I thought that their pic of a departure angle could be pretty useful for a new person wondering about vehicle design.
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That said, yes I am curious on how these two vehicles compare; curiosity is the foundation of learning. I would love to see a FUSO on a similar track, regardless of how 'unreal' it may be. Because no matter how unreal, it is a lot closer to reality than having no information at all. Or useless information... I would like to see the comparison out of curiosity, not for bragging rights. My fuso is my fuso regardless of the results. Again, I am curious. There are lots of things I would like to see in this regard. For example I would like to see both the EC and the ATW suspension doing a side by side comparison either in stills or video. Yes I know that those vehicles, like the MOG/FUSO are different, and it is not apples to apples. Everything does not have to be a Road and Track (or apparently now Overland) shoot out with a winner. I would just like some information. I like information.
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There are FAR to many unhappy people on this Forum seemingly going out of their way to find issues with everything from vehicle choices to trip reports. Let's try to not be a part of that and still find a way to impart our opinions. If you have anything of value to add to the thread, please do so.
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gait
Explorer
I couldn't find a car park so tried for real. Vehicle is resting on wheels closest to camera and diffs. Rice paddy on the far side. Total weight is around 4.5 tonne. If I'd had a choice I would have stopped well before it got to this angle. I lost my concentration for just a moment. Getting out the door at speed was interesting. I have a few pics of articulation that's more than adequate pour moi.
This was when I did the suspension on my old truck
http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=47349&d=1286001797
On the side angles, from what I've seen they will go way more than most ppl are at all game to do..
http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=47349&d=1286001797
On the side angles, from what I've seen they will go way more than most ppl are at all game to do..
dtruzinski
4 Season Traveller
I am pretty sure that is with EC's long travel suspension and I agree, that is some impressive articulation!
GR8ADV
Explorer
Wow. Looks like a 5+ foot drop to the left. My guess is at a hard right turn of the wheel to escape this would not have ended well.
gait
Explorer
yup, 2m is about right, a near miss. Could have been end of trip. It was one of those slow motion moments where "do nothing and just let it glide to a halt" seemed to be a reasonable tactic. When it did stop getting out quickly before something bad happens seemed to be right. Had to stabilise it with chains (no stretch) before we could paddle through the rice and confirm there was nothing under the wheels. Two chains, one on the front meant the back went downhill as we pulled the front onto the track. It came out at about a cm per minute over several hours. Thankfully I've not had to do many recoveries like this, but I should mention a reasonable experience of industrial "equipment failures". The locals who supplied the all important chains had also done similar previously. Once set up I could stand back. Step one is the all important "mental cup of tea".
fixed it for you.
Being off camber is a very un-natural feeling for most, but it will take a lot to actually tip the truck over on its side. My 4Runner has been over several times and so has my XP1000 RZR and it really was surprising what it took to get there, but boy did it happen fast when they went.
unkamonkey
Explorer
I don't know, I was run off of the road by a log truck. A bit busy to take pictures at the time. I had nothing to check what the angle was, and it was a bit of fun to get the Fuso back on the road. I did drive it out of the ditch. When I got to camp, I had to clean grass and dirt out of the door frame and rear bumper and have some nice scratches along that that side. I had never seen some of those parts of my camper in my mirrors before as I pulled back on the road.
GR8ADV
Explorer
I hear you! Maybe a crane is not needed, having another rig the same height as the tested vehicle and drive along side of it with some kind of foam to absorb the slow impact, as long as it was close there wouldn't be much force on the other vehicle as it is near its balance point, the other way is using a winch on another truck while lifting one side of the rig up with a fork lift. Hackney I thought had a way to formulate the angle, and to do that he had to get a flat deck wrecker with a tilt deck and used that somehow, cant remember how... or go by the seat of your pants.......rely on your internal gyros to not topple, my guess is that the drivers will reach the limit point before the truck will, now we just need some testers out there! If Hackneys rig can go to 30 degrees than most other should go to at least 90
As for breakover, from my experience the approach and departure angles become the limiting factor in most cases and breakover not as much, I did tag a support on one of my under body tool boxes once, those mogs have huge breakovers, I kept mine at transfer case height.
Westyss cmon down. I will buy the foam.