I didn't wait for the group buy. I was ready for my tent in Feb so loaded the family in the truck and drove to Bend to meet the people from CVT. I had already decided on a Mt. Rainier seeing the showroom was just icing on the cake. Nice to climb around in a few different tents before pulling the trigger. Bend Oregon is a beautiful area, we had a great drive and the weather held out so we didn't run into any snow. Figured the money saved on shipping paid for my trip. Glad I took the drive.