Ceramic bullets
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AmericaOverland
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What show was that?! Hart to hart? I remember an episode about an assassin taking down people with untraceable ice bullets, and the team was in a scramble to catch the killer. I remember the killer's gloved hand reaching for a bullet out of a refrigerated container and putting it in a silenced handgun.
Stephanie
http://www.midwayusa.com/Search/?se...tegory_selector=#frangible____-_1-2-4_8-16-32
http://www.sinterfire.com/
http://iccammo.com/
Those of you that know me know that the reason i asked is two fold:
1)to learn more about this type of ammo and its potential uses.
2)to learn more about its potential uses and invest in the technology
-Sam
http://www.sinterfire.com/
http://iccammo.com/
Those of you that know me know that the reason i asked is two fold:
1)to learn more about this type of ammo and its potential uses.
2)to learn more about its potential uses and invest in the technology
-Sam
Take a ceramic projectile, put on a plastic/polymer sleeve to avoid barrel degradation. its been done before apparently.
Especially in application where a composite gun was used to avoid metal detection.
Just need this technology to filter down and become affordable... The ceramic can be cold poured, set in a mold and then heat cycled.
-Sam
Especially in application where a composite gun was used to avoid metal detection.
Just need this technology to filter down and become affordable... The ceramic can be cold poured, set in a mold and then heat cycled.
-Sam
skysix
Adventurer
Actually the first question should be what is the purpose of the bullet? Targets? making big holes/hydrostatic shock? Massive deformation for shallow penetration? Incendiary? Explosive? Blunt trauma?
The next question would be related to the energy to be delivered. Then you could look at velocity required. Which will lead to cartridge and finally firearm choice. Finally cost can be considered once the design elements have been satisfied.
What about a wax saboted (is that a word?) lithium bullet... (incendiary)
Or a beanbag (biodegradeable)
or a mercury filled thin copper shell (toxic/deformation)
Or a liquid pepper water filled 40mm rubber ball (for noisy neighbors)
you could go on forever
The next question would be related to the energy to be delivered. Then you could look at velocity required. Which will lead to cartridge and finally firearm choice. Finally cost can be considered once the design elements have been satisfied.
What about a wax saboted (is that a word?) lithium bullet... (incendiary)
Or a beanbag (biodegradeable)
or a mercury filled thin copper shell (toxic/deformation)
Or a liquid pepper water filled 40mm rubber ball (for noisy neighbors)
you could go on forever
desertrover
Adventurer
Even a very hard wax is too soft to be fired without heavy gas cutting. Gas cutting at the base of the bullet is mostly responsible for the leading in hotter unjacketed loads. Beanbag 12g loads exist, they tend to be lethal inside of 10 meters and I find them difficult to hit anything with at much more range than that. There are OC cartridges in 40mm as well, however I wouldn't wish that upon almost anyone. Mercury.. didn't this start out as a thread about less toxic alternatives to lead? The industry is already adapting very well to less toxic projectiles. There are very good lead free hunting bullets, very accurate turned solids for long range use, longer shotgun shells and matching actions becoming common to meet the need for the same quantity of now larger pellets to get the same load weight with steel, etc.
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Tunsten is the "A" answer and gold the "B" answer if you are trying to replace lead. Both are dense enough for retained energy. There are numerous attempts at sintered metals and ceramic composites. They are quite functional at their very high velocities close up. Accuracy falls off at about 25 yds and energy is long gone by 50. On the plus side is there is no practical way to trace the dust that is left back to a certain firearm. It can be done but let us just say very difficult and impractical. Shot as opposed to bullets would be even less effective primarily due to the very poor ballistic co-efficiencies of spherical projectiles.
Speer made quite a nice Tungstun solid back in the 90's. I harvested a Cape Buffalo (.458) and a Asian Water Buffalo (.375) with them. I have a few dozen of each left for handloading.
Steve
Speer made quite a nice Tungstun solid back in the 90's. I harvested a Cape Buffalo (.458) and a Asian Water Buffalo (.375) with them. I have a few dozen of each left for handloading.
Steve
FreeManDan
Adventurer
I usta have a file on an old computer that never got put on one of my new computers, and right now I wish to god I did. You see it was the 16~ page law on what you can and can not make a bullet out of. If a bullet has more than a certain percentage of the long list of metals then it has to get some special approval from the BATF that it is in fact for hunting big animals and not cops...
Some one said aluminum, only if its hallow and will brake up quickly and is NOT for defending your self, but rather to shoot jackelope, or what ever the BATF thinks you hun. Steel is only allowed in some calibers and they shall never be used in a pistol! Does any one recall the teflon bullet scare, or that lethal weapon movie? Thats where these innovation styfling laws come from. Ceramic, I'm guessing no, or in short, the point I would like to make is that unless its available NOW in a bullet, then you can not put it in a bullet.
Some one said aluminum, only if its hallow and will brake up quickly and is NOT for defending your self, but rather to shoot jackelope, or what ever the BATF thinks you hun. Steel is only allowed in some calibers and they shall never be used in a pistol! Does any one recall the teflon bullet scare, or that lethal weapon movie? Thats where these innovation styfling laws come from. Ceramic, I'm guessing no, or in short, the point I would like to make is that unless its available NOW in a bullet, then you can not put it in a bullet.
desertrover
Adventurer
AP ammunition laws are a mess to read through, and have some inconsistencies in them. For example, the military SS109 semi armor piercing steel core projectile is exempted by name. Tungsten bullets, as well as many types of steel core, are banned. With gold being priced out of the market, these two metals that one could make bullets out of are entirely impractical or illegal. There are commercially available jacket aluminum, copper solid, bronze solid, and steel core bullets. Steel however is quite regulated, and IIRC an all steel projectile is illegal if it exceeds .10 caliber. SS109 is legal, but mild steel core norinco is not.
thebrassnuckles
Explorer
there is a company that makes aluminum bullets for the .458 socom, availble as projectiles only
i believe they are 100gr.
i believe they are 100gr.