Colorado in October 2009

DurangoSteve

DurangoSteve

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teotwaki said:
free market economics = economics woes in most "bidness" books but maybe not yours.....

You may claim to live in Durango 70 miles away (for 18 years?) but I was actually in Silverton more than once and spent a long time talking with a resident who has lived there continuously for 51 years. He related to me how OSHA was a very big factor that killed the mines there. I'll go with my source and the "reality" that he brings to my accounting. Afterall, he was in Silverton for 13 years before OSHA was even created in 1971. If you actually did your homework about the "mean 'ol gubment" you'd know that the Mine Safety & Health Administration (MSHA) oversees the actual physical mines and OSHA focuses more on conditions of employment and employers' control over those conditions. If you want to inaccurately trash my trip report or debate your definition of economic woes please start your very own Fireside Chat thread with the appropriate title about Silverton mines. It will raise your post count to something over the meager number of ONE, Mr. "Durango"Steve.

Thanks... and welcome to Expo
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Thank you for the welcome.

Silverton folks tend to be a bit "eccentric." That has some bearing on your source's perspective.

Since economic reality killed the Silverton mines, a public-private coalition has done great work in cleaning up the mess left behind. Trout are making a comeback in the Animas River closer and closer to its source above Silverton. This is great news!

It's a beautiful area and I'm glad you enjoyed your adventure.
 
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teotwaki

teotwaki

Excelsior!
fjatl said:
I lived in Albuquerque in the mid 90's and used to drive up to Durango all the time...thanks for bringing back some great memories!
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Very cool! If you have any photos of that time you should scan them and share them with folks.
 
Co-opski

Co-opski

Expedition Leader
teotwaki said:
free market economics = economics woes in most "bidness" books but maybe not yours.....

You may claim to live in Durango 70 miles away (for 18 years?) but I was actually in Silverton more than once and spent a long time talking with a resident who has lived there continuously for 51 years. He related to me how OSHA was a very big factor that killed the mines there. I'll go with my source and the "reality" that he brings to my accounting. Afterall, he was in Silverton for 13 years before OSHA was even created in 1971. If you actually did your homework about the "mean 'ol gubment" you'd know that the Mine Safety & Health Administration (MSHA) oversees the actual physical mines and OSHA focuses more on conditions of employment and employers' control over those conditions. If you want to inaccurately trash my trip report or debate your definition of economic woes please start your very own Fireside Chat thread with the appropriate title about Silverton mines. It will raise your post count to something over the meager number of ONE, Mr. "Durango"Steve.

Thanks... and welcome to Expo
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Wow. :coffee:
 
teotwaki

teotwaki

Excelsior!
Co-opski said:
Wow. :coffee:
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I dunno, I seem to be some sort of "kick me" magnet for these sorts of first post folks. :Wow1: They show up and start an unrelated debate in my trip reports with no facts and plenty of opinion. They can't seem to move their personal agendas to the appropriate forum area. I had another thread about the Saline Salt Tram where a newbie shows up and uses innuendo to imply that artifacts were stolen. Turns out that the newbie was a guy who illegally climbed protected old growth trees. He has not posted since August but his latest visits to the forum appear to coincide with the latest round of nonsense in my new trip report. Coincidence? Maybe.
 
DurangoSteve

DurangoSteve

Adventurer
Fascinating. I didn't "trash" your trip report, I simply pointed out the facts behind the shutdown of a Silverton mine and its associated mill. It's a very nice trip report with many great photos. It's a beautiful area and you are obviously fond of it. Understandable. I checked out your thread because it's about my backyard, not because I'm here to pursue some other agenda.

My comments were directly related to your erroneous opinion that OSHA was behind the closing of the Sunnyside Mine and the Mayflower Mill that processed its ore. I pointed out that the mine was no longer economically viable, and that the mill had nothing to process. There are a few unemployed miners still around Silverton who want to blame the gubment for the lack of mining jobs, but the sad reality is that those mines are played out. Look around Colorado. There are countless examples of mines that have come and gone because they used up the recoverable minerals. Blaming OSHA is a dodge. And dismissing someone simply because they don't have 2000+ posts is weak sauce.

Facts can be uncomfortable when they clash with preconceived notions. You seem to be quite interested in the Silverton area. I encourage you to dig a little deeper.
 
teotwaki

teotwaki

Excelsior!
PS: I think that it only takes something like 0.005% of the active users to place the annoying user on "Ignore" and then no one can see any of the annoying user's posts anymore. That would only be for the slow learners who persist in off-topic rants because they cannot figure out the right place to post their diatribes.
 
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