Conversion images; what issues do you see?

How much can you guys tell from these photos? Does anything jump out as a potential problem? Any angles that don't seem quite right to you, etc ... I know that's not easy to tell from a few photos, just wondering if there's anything obviously problematic.

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Toolman

Explorer
there's no front drive shaft. the coil looks to be arching, drag link and track bar aren't parallel (could be angle of pic ) which can lend to some bump steer.
why do you need 2 steering stabilizers

and why are you quizzing us ? Is this a potential buy ? Or are you some kind of guru that needs to know who is sitting at the table with you ?
 

spencyg

This Space For Rent
The passenger side frame rail mounted link in the second picture has me a little confused. Maybe it is some sort of stablizer bar for the track bar mount on the driver side? It is really impossible to know whether the linkage geometry is any good with the picture angles you've posted, but from a glance they look close at least. The fabrication work looks to be high quality but I also question the need for 2 steering stabilizers. My rig doesn't even need one...

SG
 

tgreening

Expedition Leader
The passenger side frame rail mounted link in the second picture has me a little confused. Maybe it is some sort of stablizer bar for the track bar mount on the driver side? It is really impossible to know whether the linkage geometry is any good with the picture angles you've posted, but from a glance they look close at least. The fabrication work looks to be high quality but I also question the need for 2 steering stabilizers. My rig doesn't even need one...

SG


Wondered about that as well. Steering box brace maybe? Pictures aren't detailed enough to tell. No shocks either , but by the looks of things it's probably a lift not complete, or being torn down in an attempt to find out why the front end is acting all wonky, :)

Dual stabilizers: I'm betting the builder was a young man in the 80's, when 4x4 prowess was measured by hiw many tubes your roll bar had, and the number of shocks and shock like devices you could bolt to your suspension. Hehe.

I run 37/12.5s on an '83 CJ7 with no stabilizers at all and have no shimmy and zero bump steer. Geometry, geometry, geometry, and you'll be golden.
 
Thanks for the replies! It's good to hear that there's nothing obviously incorrect or concerning with the conversion. I'm far far from a guru, I'm a complete newbie that's considering doing a conversion with axles from an 08 F350. Being so new, I am concerned with steering geometry and getting the caster correct and such. Those pictures are conversions that Javier in California / Mexico has done with late model F350 components. I know people complain about his vehicles, but I am skeptical of such complaints because they're generally criticizing a vehicle of 300k+ miles, and not of the conversion work. If I don't do this conversion myself I might just drop it off for him to do. He barely charges anything, especially compared with any other company doing conversions. And, if I grab the axles and tcase myself, well, it becomes very very economical.

The reason for two steering stabilizers, is that it looks cool. =) Not to everyone I'm sure, but we all have our customizations that serve no functional purpose. =)
 
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Dual stabilizers: I'm betting the builder was a young man in the 80's, when 4x4 prowess was measured by hiw many tubes your roll bar had, and the number of shocks and shock like devices you could bolt to your suspension. Hehe.
That's funny you mention the roll bar tubes, I remember that being a thing when I was in high school, as well as the number of shocks you could bolt up under your vehicle. There were even people drilling shocks out and just running them blank!
 

ujoint

Supporting Sponsor
That bracket on the pass side frame rail is the 3rd steering stabilizers (aka bandaid)

We recently re did a Javier swap, should be able to find some pics in my build thread and FB page.
 

spencyg

This Space For Rent
That bracket on the pass side frame rail is the 3rd steering stabilizers (aka bandaid)

We recently re did a Javier swap, should be able to find some pics in my build thread and FB page.

This all sounds like something to steer clear of....really really clear. There is no reason a well designed and executed 3 link coil front end should need even a single steering stabilizer. It sounds like you should give Chris a call so he can load you up with the last few nails to drive into the coffin....

SG
 
That bracket on the pass side frame rail is the 3rd steering stabilizers (aka bandaid)

We recently re did a Javier swap, should be able to find some pics in my build thread and FB page.

Thank you for that input. 3 steering stabilizers? wow
Yeah, I'm thinking I'll just tackle this myself then and make sure it's done right =)
 

ober27

Adventurer
When I want something done right , I find the right person to do it. I'm not saying you couldn't do this yourself, but as someone who is new to the world of vehicle modification and fabrication, I'm not sure a vehicles steering and suspension systems are the place to start. There are experts in this field, who have perfected what you wish to accomplish. Some of them are on this forum, and taking part in this conversation. I hope that whatever route you choose you enjoy the process, and end up with a van that serves your needs.
Good luck
 
Hi Ober. Thanks for the message, you have excellent points. While I am new to vehicles, I do have experience with fabrication. I agree with you, fabricating steering and suspension parts isn't something to be done on a whim. For what it's worth, the welds in this thread look pretty decent, especially in the second picture. The fabrication in the first picture I find a bit questionable, but it's on non critical components. Thanks for your input!
 

Toolman

Explorer
I've been modifying vehicles since I was a youngster, bikes, skateboards, Dirt Bikes, ATV's, (ATC back then) Yachts, Boat's, Trailers, RV's, Big Rigs you name it, If someone paid me to tear apart their rig and make it better I would, however I know when to say when. With Chris's help I exceeded my expectations as an installer with my Van. If you have a single creative bone in you, you will regret not doing this yourself. Just be patient in doing so. Look beyond what is in front of you and see the challenges that stand in futures way. Talk with Chris a few times, the hurdles he has over come in designing this kit are remarkable.
If you are close by and want to see my van in person you are welcome to do so.

I'm curious as to why you believe that a trailing arm set up is better for van ? I used to feel the same way because of my TJ rides like a dream with no steering stabilizer on old MTR D rated 37's.
If you are going to do a link set up, go straight to custom arms and brackets you can easily adjust and avoid all the nonsense in making brackets to hang down just to accommodate factory trailing arms. I've been toying with the idea of changing over to heims or the metal cloak Duroflex joints in my TJ because the delron wears out to fast in the RE parts. The heims will start clicking and making a bunch of noise and will transfer more vibrations so for a street rig that's why I'm leaning toward the duroflex joints.

my brain works in the way that if you need it done I start working on how I would do it. An hour with POLY performance should kill your wallet and give you some idea of how much it will cost to create a four link. I would move the axle forward and change the spring perches to get some more up travel and keep the frame cross member out of harms way. (Theory) Thinking about a TTB, hmmm, that could be why Agile Offroad uses that set up, as suspension compresses the TTB creates a V pocket for the cross member to sit in.

sorry for blabbering
 
Hi Toolman. Thakns for the invitation to look at your van, that's very considerate of you. Also, thanks for the input about moving the axle forward, I plan on looking into that to make sure I attain the maximum amount of articulation and keep the tires from hitting sheetmetal.

It sounds like you've done a lot of modifying and fabricating. It shows in your Vandetta build, that thing's awesome! I love the blacked out look of it too.

I never said that a trailing arm setup is better for a van =)

Thanks for the comments and the help man. I look forward to seeing how the interior turns out in your van, if you decide to keep it.
 

coguzzi

Adventurer
ive owned a javier van, that stabilizer bracket always worried me--never seemed stout enough (and i do know someone who had it break on them). if i was gonna do another van--it would be a u-joint kit hands down. i had lots of trouble with lots of BS out of Javier that took way to much time to clear up. that van moved on since karma was up on it
 

Toolman

Explorer
Tires hitting sheet metal will be the least of your problems. The front axle is directly in alignment with the cross member of the frame.

BTW you start too many threads , I can't keep up lol
 

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