Defender TD4 in the US?

Paratrupp

New member
Hello Friends
I talked to a Landrover Dealer in Austria and he was contacted by an American Landrover Dealer to buy 20 new Landrover TD4. As we all know, the former Defender TD5 was never legal in the US so I'm wondering if any one of you have ever heard anything about it that it would be possible to get the new TD4 on the Road in the US, best would be California.
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stu454

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To save everyone a lot of time:

The answer is almost certainly 'no'. And doubly so in California.

Yes, it would be cool.

And, no, it still ain't likely to happen.

Welcome to the forum!
 

Paratrupp

New member
haha, that is special version and your right, nothing for the off roads. Also in Europe most Defender Driver are "Horse Towers" and driving their Defender to the Disco :)

Other than that the new Defender ist not as bad as it we feared. The new dashboard is **** and there are no 9 Person Version anymore. The engine looks like ok so far.
 

Toy-Roverlander

Adventurer
Other than that the new Defender ist not as bad as it we feared. The new dashboard is **** and there are no 9 Person Version anymore. The engine looks like ok so far.

Really?
I've heard of quite a few people who bought a new Defender that it's engine was replaced after as little as 11.000km's, clutches go bang, driveline vibrations, vacpumps throw oil everywhere when the seal fails..
Some had problems with rough running, dealer replaced everything from the fueltank to the fuellines, filters, breathers, pump and injectors... still didn't fix it....
No way I would buy one.....


Read this:ylsmoke::

Defender MY07 (2.4 Puma) Technische Service Bulletin Technical Service Bulletin
No.LTB00177, 09 October 2008

Subject/Concern: Brake Vacuum Pump Seal Oil Leak

Models:
Defender (LD) 2.4L Diesel Only
2.4L Diesel Only VIN-range: 7A732615 Onwards

Markets: All

Section: 206-07

Summary: Oil leaking from the brake vacuum pump front oil seal.

Cause: Dirt ingress into the pump pulley seal resulting in damage to the lip and subsequent oil leakage (the new brake vacuum pump has a secondary dirt lip seal). Suggested Customer Concern Code - R31.

Action: Should a customer express concern, install a new brake vacuum pump (refer to Global Technical Reference GTR

Workshop Manual, section 206-07 (70.15.19)).

Parts Required:
Description Part Number Quantity
Brake vacuum pump LR012183 1
Gasket LR004381 1

Labour Time:
Operation Description Operation No. Time
Install a new brake vacuum pump 70.15.19 0.7 hours

Repair/Claim Coding:
Causal Part: LR012183
ACES Condition Code: 42

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Land Rover Service Bulletin SSM38792,

Date Uploaded: 21 Jul 2008
Models: LD - Defender
Title: 2.4 Puma Engine Knock Noise.
Last Modified: 21-JUL-2008 09:44
Category: Engine
Symptom: 497000 Engine Noise

Content Issue: Heavy audible knocking heard on start up.
Cause: On start up oil pressures can cause the piston cooling jets, (PCJ), to latch into a zero flow condition. Due to hysteresis effect in design the jets do not unlatch until the engine is warm and the oil pressures lower again. During this time with no pressurized oil jet flow to the lower pistons / cylinder bores, overheat and scuff conditions / damage can occur.

Action: Replace the engine assy but ensure only engines post serial # ELD00080707063602 are used.
This condition will not occur on vehicles post assured Vin# 9A767162.
Engines post the info above are fitted with modified PCJ internal springs and this issue is now closed.

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Land Rover Service Bulletin SSM39893
Models LD - Defender

Title Defender Intermittent Cranking
Last Modified 26-NOV-2008 16:29
Category Electrical
Symptom 203000 Basic Electrical
Content Issue:

Warranty investigations have shown a number of repairs to Defender for intermittent loss of cranking.

Cause:

This issue may well be due to the immobilisation strategy on Defender.

Action:

Before conducting any work on a vehicle with this symptom, please view SSM 34184.

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Land Rover Service Bulletin SSM38084
Models LD - Defender

Title Defender MA 07 - lock in one gear
Last Modified 06-MAY-2008 11:27
Category Transmission
Symptom 505000 Manual gearbox anomalies
Content
Reference: MT82 Getrag gearbok locked in one gear.
Cause: Still not determined.
Required action: Land Rover ask to the dealers to confirm the problem first and proceed to fill the attached questionary before to get in contact with the "Fix Right Enhanced Diagnostics" (FRED) technichians in charge of the repairs. Thats will allow to the enginnering dept to understand the possible causes of the problem.

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Land Rover Service Bulletin SSM40851
Defender Front and Rear Propshaft Grease Points

Models : LD - Defender

Title: Defender Front and Rear Propshaft Grease Points

Last Modified: 30-MAR-2009 08:27
Category: Noise/ Vibration

Symptom: 703000 Vibration Concerns

Content Issue: Loose or missing front / rear propshaft grease nipples for Defender 07 MYonward vehicles.

Action: If any propshafts are identified where the grease nipples are missing, then the propshaft should be replaced. Any cases where the grease nipples are in place but loose should be torqued to 8Nm + 45degrees.

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Land Rover Service Bulletin
Models LD - Defender

Title P1169 and or P0089 codes logged.
Last Modified 30-JUL-2008 10:16
Category Driveability
Symptom 608000 Runs Rough
Content Issue:
07MY onwards - Difficult to start, missfire, lack of power, driveability issues etc.
PCM can have either P1169 and or P0089 logged codes.
Pre assured Vin# Def 90 at Vin LD8A760582. Defender 110/130 at Vin# LD8A760304.

Cause:
Potential contamination in the fuel system.

Action:
Remove the fuel filter, drain complete contents into a suitable clear vessel. Note signs of any water contamination / debris. 1) If more than 40cc of water or debris is evident carry out the following:-
Drain the fuel tank.
Check the fuel tank breather location and reposition as per the illustration A attached.
On pick up variants please reposition the breather pipe in board towards the rear of the fuel tank.
If breather is blocked replace the pipe as per GTR.
Replace the fuel filter and clean out the fuel lines of any contamination / debris and or residue.
For P1169 code replace the FMV (Fuel Metering Valve), as per GTR and LTB00153. Illustration B.
If DTC P0089 is also present replace the PRV (Pressure Relief Valve), as per GTR. Illustration C.
Bleed and prime the fuel system as per GTR.
Start the vehicle and carry out the pump learn process with IDS as per GTR.
Carry out a road test to ensure the issue has been rectified and no codes have been logged.
Submit any findings on ePQR to engineering.

2) If no sign of water or debris but either codes logged carry out the following:-
Check the integrity of the wiring and the condition of the terminal connections between PCM and Fuel Rail Pressure Sensor and between PCM and FMV. Repair wiring as necessary and re test the vehicle.
If no issue is found with the wiring / connections, and code P1169 logged, replace the FMV as per GTR and LTB00153.
Replace the fuel rail PRV (Pressure Relief Valve), only If DTC P0089 is present as per GTR.
Start the vehicle and carry out the pump learn process with IDS as per GTR.
Carry out a road test to ensure the issue has been rectified and no codes have been logged.
Submit any findings on ePQR to engineering.

Note:-
A new tank / breather design was introduced on Defender 90 Vin# LD8A760582. and Defender 110/130 at Vin# LD8A760304.
Please submit an ePQR for any issue seen on vehicles post these vins.



Models LD - Defender
Title Mulitiple Starter Motor Failure
Last Modified 21-JAN-2009 17:43
Category Electrical
Symptom 203000 Basic Electrical

Content Issue: Repeat failures on Defender starter motors.
Cause: The ignition switch can jam causing starter motor failure due to over running.
Action: If the starter motor has failed check operation of ignition switch;
a) Is the switch jammed through any of its positions?
b) Does the switch fully return to position 2 once cranked and the inhibit operates, not allowing re-crank from position 2?
c) Does the starter motor continue to engage once cranked and key released?
If the answer to any of the above is YES please change ignition barrel as well as starter motor as potentially the starter motor will fail again.
Vehicles post vin. 775971 have been modified and should not demonstate this concern.

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Land Rover Service Bulletin
Models LD - Defender LTB00166

Subject/Concern: Clutch Noise/Poor Selection
Models: Defender (LD) 2.4 Puma Diesel Engine. 2.4 Puma Diesel Engine. VIN-range: 7A732615-9A766150
Markets: All
Section: 308-00
Summary: Potential difficult gear selection and noise in clutch operation.
Cause: Improvements have been made to the specification of the clutch plate and clutch cover to
address both the potentially difficult gear selection and noise during clutch operation
concerns.Suggested customer concern code P24.
Action: Should it become necessary to install the clutch kit assembly, refer to the new procedure
detailed in Global Technical Reference GTR Workshop Manual, section 308-00.

Parts Required:
Description Part Number Quantity Clutch kit Assembly. URB500080 1
Labour Time: Operation Description Operation No. Time
Clutch kit Assembly Renew. 33.10.01 3.9 hours
Repair/Claim Coding: Causal Part: URB500080
ACES Condition

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For our friends in the Nordic countries and Russia
Puma Engine Breather Pipe Freezing

Models: Defender (LD)
2.4 Diesel Puma Only VIN-range: 7A732615 Onwards

Markets: Russia and Scandinavian Markets Only

Section: 303-00

Summary: Engine oil leaks.

Cause: Driving the vehicle at temperatures on or below Zero deg C, freezing of the engine crankcase breather hoses resulting in engine oil leaks. Suggested Customer Concern Code - D50.
Action: Should a customer express concern, install a new heated breather kit. Follow the Service Instruction outlined below.
 

Paratrupp

New member
thats quite a list, since I talked to a mechanic from Landrover he might did not have enough Defenders in his Area to realy represent all of the new model.

But belive me, when i bought my Defender TD5 I was just warned by every one out there and now I have 80T miles on it, driven between Alaska and Panama and never ever had a single problem with it. Maybe I was just lucky.

Anyway, the other side of that coin is that with a Diesel Landrover in the US you have way more troubles to get a good service or some parts. So for the US the Discovery is probably the better choice.
 

discotdi

Adventurer
Technical service bulletins are a good thing. They show that the manufacturer cares about getting the problems resolved and at no cost to the owner. That is why you have a warranty. Be afraid if you don't see that kind of support from the manufacturer. Trust me I have a Jeep Liberty diesel and they have many known defects but Jeep ignores them and you can't get the dealer to fix anything.
 

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