Diesel Rig Recommendations???

Clutch

<---Pass
Nice find! Steel wheels, check. Manual windows, check. 7k lb GVWR (2k+ lb payload), check. E-locker, check. The ONLY thing missing is a 36-gal tank (I believe. At least according to This site). Thought this was funny, listed under features: "XL/Workhorse" :D

Book marking that link, very helpful when looking. mucho grassy ********!

Here ya go, found another with the 36 gallon tank, e-locker....and power windows. (have to admit, do like power windows) :eek:


https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/697784530/overview/

very nice truck basic no frills

I am all about the basic low buck W/T models. Though even the base models now-a-days come with quite a few options. Remember when you had to order power steering, AC, etc...?
 
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Paddy

Adventurer
I was thinking of a transmission cooler. The truck already comes with a digital temp gauge for the transmisson. Not sure about an airbag yet, or maybe an added leaf?
As for the WD hitch, i hadn't even heard about it until you mentioned it. I'll do some reading up on it. The guy at the trailer place didn't mention this. But i'll read up on it.


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Be careful on the WD hitch. When I looked into them there was considerable argument against their use in some cases, and there was evidence that they are not always safety enhancing.
 

Dalko43

Explorer
If locked on a diesel I'd opt for an older Cummins without the complexity (and expense) of the latest and greatest.

Frankly, any diesels built/sold in North America in the last 10-15 years is going to have complexity. They haven't been making true mechanical diesels since the late 90's or so. The 2007 and prior diesels do avoid a lot of the emissions complexity, but they're also sitting in 10+ year old trucks and they still have complexity in other areas (fuel delivery). By many accounts, the newer diesels aren't all bad...they've actually seen significant improvement over the last few years. I would say that the 2007 (when a lot of the new emissions were put into place) to 2010 seems to be the more problematic years for diesel emissions. 2011 and beyond has seen a lot of the bugs worked out.

The issue with diesels off road is the weight. That takes its toll on the truck, and the trail.

I don't think that is necessarily true. Firstly, it's a given that you'll have to modify or tune a diesel truck's suspension for offroad/overlanding driving. Those trucks are set up to carry a lot of weight, so unless you are planning on carrying a huge camper, the suspension is going to ride too stiff. Secondly, it's a 4x4 truck, and if you drive it as such (as slow as possible, as fast as necessary) offroad and not a trophy race truck or buggy, I think 3/4 ton trucks, even diesels, will hold up just fine. The 3/4 ton's aren't all that much bigger than full size pickup's, and if there is an area where a 3/4 ton's weight will be an issue (deep mud), chances are a 1/2 ton or even midsized 4x4 isn't going to fare much better.


OP, if I were in your shoes and towing 8,500lbs on a regular basis, I'd definitely look at diesel options. I know there are 1/2 ton trucks that are well capable of handling such loads, but in terms of fuel economy and engine work, the diesel is going to fare better IMO.

For earlier diesels, I'd look at 2005-2007 era trucks; they avoided a lot of the emissions complexity, though some did have EGR by that point, and are generally pretty reliable. Downsides would be that the truck itself, and the potentially the engine, are pretty old and likely well used at this point. Examples: 2005-2007.5 Ram 2500 with 5.9L Cummins; 2006-2007 Chevy 2500 with 6.6 LBZ Duramax. You could go with older versions of both engines, I just think you're going to have a hard time finding a vehicle that is still in good condition (but maybe that's an option if you intend to do a restoration or vehicle build).

For more recent diesels, I'd look for 2011 and newer trucks. All of diesels by this point have the full gamut of emissions (EGR, DPF, DEF), but you generally see a lot less reliability issues with these newer trucks than what you see with the 2007-2010 trucks. These trucks are a lot newer and in better shape, even used examples, and the interiors and general fit-and-finish saw a lot of improvement in these years across all brands. Downside is they're going to cost more. Examples: 2013+ Ram 6.7l Cummins in 2500/3500; 2011+ Ford F250/F350 with 6.7L Powerstroke; 2011+ Chevy 2500 HD with 6.6l Duramax LML.

*I'd avoid the older Ford Powerstrokes (some of them were really made by Navistar International) like the plague. The 6.0 Powerstroke (2003-2007) and the 6.4 Powerstroke (2007-2010) had a lot of issues, and the fact that Ford used both engines for only a short period of time should tell you a lot about their longterm reliability. The 7.3l Powerstroke (really a rebadged International engine) preceded both engines and was very reliable, if a little down on power, which is why people are willing to pay so much for it on the used market.
 
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p nut

butter
Here ya go, found another with the 36 gallon tank, e-locker....and power windows. (have to admit, do like power windows) :eek:


https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/697784530/overview/

Hey, I won't lie. I like PW, PB, PS, rear cam, parking sensors, and heated seats! :D

Be careful on the WD hitch. When I looked into them there was considerable argument against their use in some cases, and there was evidence that they are not always safety enhancing.

You do need to carefully consider the set up, to make sure the WD hitch and trailer are mated correctly (meaning, hitch rating is above the load, but not too far over). There are people that set it up incorrectly, which makes for potentially dangerous situations. But when correctly set up, it does make a big difference. Which is why big names like Airstream always recommend, or even require (?) a WD hitch system to be installed.
 

Clutch

<---Pass
Hey, I won't lie. I like PW, PB, PS, rear cam, parking sensors, and heated seats! :D


We have heated seats in the Pooper...after this last winter, gotta admit...like those too. Honestly the only manual thing I want is the trans... :eek: :D (did I say that out loud!?)

Rear cam would be nice for hooking up the trailer, have gotten pretty good at doing it by feel over these last 30 years of pulling trailers....but a cam would be sweet...
 

blackdog

Observer
We are in the market for a new 1-ton SRW diesel and I had my heart set on the Dodge. Found one at the local dealer and took it for a test ride. Much to my surprise the engine was a total dog. The truck would not get out of its own way. My sprinter is faster off the line which blew me away. I know the Cummings are know for their low end torque but I can't imagine trying to get up to speed towing any kind of load with this motor if the acceleration was so bad when the truck was empty.

We immediately went and test drove a GMC in order to do back to back comparisons. The local dealer only had a Dually which I definitely don't want but I knew a test drive would give us a decent baseline for the motor. What a HUGE difference! The Duramax is a monster and the truck was an absolute rocket in comparison. The ride was a whole lot better too.

Not hating on the Cummings, just really surprise about how little power the motor has. Very disappointed to say the least.
 

Dalko43

Explorer
We are in the market for a new 1-ton SRW diesel and I had my heart set on the Dodge. Found one at the local dealer and took it for a test ride. Much to my surprise the engine was a total dog. The truck would not get out of its own way. My sprinter is faster off the line which blew me away. I know the Cummings are know for their low end torque but I can't imagine trying to get up to speed towing any kind of load with this motor if the acceleration was so bad when the truck was empty.

We immediately went and test drove a GMC in order to do back to back comparisons. The local dealer only had a Dually which I definitely don't want but I knew a test drive would give us a decent baseline for the motor. What a HUGE difference! The Duramax is a monster and the truck was an absolute rocket in comparison. The ride was a whole lot better too.

Not hating on the Cummings, just really surprise about how little power the motor has. Very disappointed to say the least.

I'm not surprised that you noticed that difference. The 5.9's and 6.7's (Cummins) I've driven, while torquey, don't have the same 0-60 responsiveness that you'd otherwise notice with a diesel v8 or comparable gasoline engine. The inline design of the Cummins seems to have more of a workhorse character, whereas the diesel v8's give you a somewhat more snappy acceleration by comparison.

Also, what was the gearing on the vehicles you drove? I'm fairly certain the SRW 3500's with the 6.7 Cummins come with 3.43 gears by default, which provides better fuel economy but at the expense of acceleration.
 
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Paddy

Adventurer
My 6.0 Ford is also a dog around town, and my sprinter 2.7 is not at all! But when the Ford finally spools up arounf 1800 rpm it ignites like a rocket. Just how they are I guess
 

Sock Puppet

Adventurer
My 6.0 Ford is also a dog around town, and my sprinter 2.7 is not at all! But when the Ford finally spools up arounf 1800 rpm it ignites like a rocket. Just how they are I guess

Custom tuning can really help with this. Heck, even the preloaded SCT tunes are a huge improvement over stock on the 6.0. I use a modified version of the Eco City tune from Quick Tricks and it's excellent. I have a version with and without the exhaust brake feature activated. Tuning is money well spent on the 6.0.

http://www.quicktricksauto.com/qt-custom-tuning.html
 

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