Digital? Film? Where to start...

computeruser

Explorer
I guess this is one of those situations where the more you think about something, the less sure you are of the solution. Thanks in advance for the input!!


I currently have two digital cameras - Fuji E550 and S5000 - neither of which are new or "sophisticated." They are slow to turn on/focus/take multiple shots, produce inconsistent focus (focus point, overall focus) despite my best efforts to master their controls, and struggle in natural light shooting, especially indoors. I've become reasonably comfortable with the S5000's manual and priority controls, and have gotten some images from it where the settings I chose actually accomplished what I intended for them to accomplish. The S5000 is having increasing numbers of mysterious electronics glitches, so I figure its days are numbered.

I also own a film SLR, Nikon N65, with a slow Quantarray 28-80mm lens. I bought it a few years ago, snapped a few rolls, and tucked it away. I have no real idea how this body works.


I will probably buy a newer digital point-and-shoot that fits in a shirt pocket, just to have one. But I also want to do the following: learn to capture interesting outdoor scenes when hiking or driving off-pavement, be able to photograph family and friends indoors without always needing to use a flash and/or a tripod, and I want to be able to utilize polarizing filters when shooting around water and other reflective surfaces.

I do not want to spend time tweaking images on a computer. I read about all the post-processing that people do, and after spending 8 hours in front of a computer at work each day, spending my free time screwing with images on a computer really does not appeal to me in the least. Sharing photos online or in email, that's OK, but beyond that...I'd rather not, if I can avoid it.

Would I be better off trying to teach myself on a 35mm SLR starting with a 50mm/1.4 or 50mm/1.8 lens and some slide film, possibly adding a film/slide scanner to the mix before too long, and some other fast lenses as my skills develop? Or should I get with the 21st century and go the digital route right off the bat?

If digital, I presume DSLR would be the better long-term choice for a single camera than a nicer point-and-shoot (G9/10, P6000), right?

If I went the 35mm route, would the learning curve be improved with an older mechanical body or would sticking with the N65 I already own be the better choice? The up-front cost on 35mm seems less painful, but is building a 35mm setup throwing good money after bad?
 

haven

Expedition Leader
Join the club. We're all looking for a point and shoot digital
camera that's great for portraits/landscapes/indoors/sunlight/
flash/fireworks, that has a wide angle zoom lens and fits in a shirt
pocket, and that has image stabilization so no tripod is necessary.
The camera has to have such a good exposure metering system
that no post-processing is necessary! And it needs to be on sale
for less than $150.

In the less than $150 class, I like the Canon A series cameras,
such as the A590 IS. Also check out the Panasonic Lumix LZ8.
Neither of these cameras is shirt-pocket size, but they fit in a
pants or jacket pocket. They both offer manual control of aperture
and exposure time, plus fine-tuning of white balance, so there's lots
for you to experiment with if you don't want to use an automatic mode.

Chip Haven
 

goodtimes

Expedition Poseur
*disclaimer* I am not a pro photographer, nor an 'expert'...but you asked for opinions, so I'll give mine to you.

High quality images, particularly if shared in a digital format (e-mail, etc), are about 99% archer, 1% arrow.

Given what you have stated (no post processing, only sharing via e-mail, computer, digital picture frame, etc), I wouldn't spend the $$$ on a dSLR. I'd carry a p&s that gives decent control of the shutter speed and aperture. Sure, the sensors are more prone to noise, and don't seem to have the dynamic range....but since you are talking about primarily computer based photo sharing (not printing), this won't be much of an issue.

A G9/10, or similar camera, will give you enough control to manipulate the DoF and give a sense of motion. Indoor shots are always a pain...I always end up with either a flash, or a tripod and long exposure times--there just isn't enough light (typically) to do what I want, dSLR or not.

For general use, my girlfriends late model Canon P&S does 95% of what my dSLR does, costs a fraction of what the SLR + lenses did, doesn't take up nearly as much room, and is so darn convienent that it just makes sense.

A perfect example is bajataco. Most (all?) of his pictures, up until recently (a year or two ago), were taken with a P&S camera...look through his old photo albums...there are some *fantastic* pictures there. Its all about the guy (or girl) behind the camera.

Go, [point and] shoot, be happy!
 
I have said this before and I will say it again. It has always been my belief that to truly understand photography one needs to pick up am older FULLY manual 35mm bare bones SLR. It forces you to choose the correct settings, instead of a computer choosing what MIGHT be best.

That said, I do feel Goodtimes is correct, for your needs I would stick with a nice point and shoot. There are some pretty remarkable P&S out there.
 
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Michael Slade

Untitled
Get a Speedgraphic and some B&W film. You can make prints with a lightbulb in your bathroom. You will like the slowness and control.
 

computeruser

Explorer
I have said this before and I will say it again. It has always been my belief that to truly understand photography one needs to pick up am older FULLY manual 35mm bare bones SLR. It forces you to choose the correct settings, instead of a computer choosing what MIGHT be best.

That said, I do feel Goodtimes is correct, for your needs I would stick with a nice point and shoot. There are some pretty remarkable P&S out there.

I'm not opposed to having another P&S for capturing moments that happen, but I think you're right about the manual SLR as a teaching-learning tool. Any particular suggestions on what to look for and where to find it, apart from eBay?




Get a Speedgraphic and some B&W film. You can make prints with a lightbulb in your bathroom. You will like the slowness and control.

Not a bad idea at all...
 

Michael Slade

Untitled
I'm not opposed to having another P&S for capturing moments that happen, but I think you're right about the manual SLR as a teaching-learning tool. Any particular suggestions on what to look for and where to find it, apart from eBay?

I have a drawer full of manual 35mm cameras. Vivitars and Ricohs. If you *really* want one, let me know. Santa Claus might come early if you've been a good boy.

I gave one away last week to a former student who wanted to borrow it.
 

off-roader

Expedition Leader
Manual for learning to use a camera yes.

Film to learn? No (takes too long to develop to remember the shooting conditions to make it an effective learning tool). This is a key reason I have become a much better photographer after the digital revolution.

FWIW, I went from a 110 instamatic camera to a Canon AE1 Program to a Canon T-70 to a variety of 35mm and even APS point and shoots. Never learned how to shoot with any of these setups.

I learned more in one month with my first manual mode capable digicam than I did with years of film cameras.

That said, the other side of the picture taking coin is learning how to compose a picture and you're better off taking art classes and looking at good shots to figure out how to do that as digicams can only marginally help with that.
 

dieselcruiserhead

16 Years on ExPo. Whoa!!
Chip you may like the new Canon A1000. I passed on the unreal deals on the A590is that were going on (I know, there are still some out there online) but think I'm just going to spent the extra $50 on the new 1000. They upped the processor and a few other characteristics. But best yet is they made it even smaller so even with use of AAs it now fits in a shirt pocket just fine. I've messed around with a lot of P&Ss - Nikon, Olympus, Canon, Vivitar, and Samsung. Even the cheaper Canons are the best, according to me... Quick and solid photo taking, lack of blurryness. Even the non IS models - very happy.

Join the club. We're all looking for a point and shoot digital
camera that's great for portraits/landscapes/indoors/sunlight/
flash/fireworks, that has a wide angle zoom lens and fits in a shirt
pocket, and that has image stabilization so no tripod is necessary.
The camera has to have such a good exposure metering system
that no post-processing is necessary! And it needs to be on sale
for less than $150.

In the less than $150 class, I like the Canon A series cameras,
such as the A590 IS. Also check out the Panasonic Lumix LZ8.
Neither of these cameras is shirt-pocket size, but they fit in a
pants or jacket pocket. They both offer manual control of aperture
and exposure time, plus fine-tuning of white balance, so there's lots
for you to experiment with if you don't want to use an automatic mode.

Chip Haven
 

bajasurf

Explorer
Olympus 35rc

I almost always carry a Olympus 35rc rangefinder with me. Compact with a great lens and super sharp results. Below is a link to a short review of the Oly RC. I also have attached a photo of the RC along with a Konica FS-1 and a Nikon N90. By the way the you can buy a fully functional and excellent condition for $10. Link to review:

http://cameraquest.com/olyrc.htm
 

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