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robert
Expedition Leader
Should have had a snorkel instead of limb risers*. :snorkel: They didn't seem to help with that shrubbery stuck on the front either.
*Yes, I realize forward progress was pretty much out of the question with the ice in front of him. Recovery is probably going to be a PITA.
*Yes, I realize forward progress was pretty much out of the question with the ice in front of him. Recovery is probably going to be a PITA.
jeverich
Luddite
Dunno where it is, perhaps someone with an eye for identifying windshield stickers will chime in. Looks like there might be an aluminum flat bed on the *** end of the rig...
So how would you get it unstuck?
Me: Build a gin pole; rig to rear recovery point. Cut cribbing that would be slid underneath the truck and rest on either bank. Airbags underneath the truck in an attempt to give it some buoyancy..
I'd imagine it's going to be (or was) a real beast of a recovery. Depending on how de-stabilized that ice was/is - it would drastically increase the proximity with which another vehicle could approach.
So how would you get it unstuck?
Me: Build a gin pole; rig to rear recovery point. Cut cribbing that would be slid underneath the truck and rest on either bank. Airbags underneath the truck in an attempt to give it some buoyancy..
I'd imagine it's going to be (or was) a real beast of a recovery. Depending on how de-stabilized that ice was/is - it would drastically increase the proximity with which another vehicle could approach.
DaveNay
Adventurer
marathonracer
Adventurer
That was at the Maine winter romp pre run 2015.... Link to the thread and video here including the recovery http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/135756-2015-Maine-Winter-Romp-Prerun-Photos-and-Video
Looks like a beaver flowage over the road possibly, pretty common in this corner of the world and some times they arent as obvious as you would think.
Looks like a beaver flowage over the road possibly, pretty common in this corner of the world and some times they arent as obvious as you would think.
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Stoffregen Motorsports
Explorer
Define stuck.
bkg
Explorer
Someone please explain the value of a snorkel in this situation. I'm curious. 99.99999% of snorkel installs (rough estimate) don't even begin to address the electronics that are well below the level of the snorkel intake... Or the stock intake level, frankly...
Sorry. Hate to be cynical. Just seems snorkels are more a fashion statement than an expo need. (said by me - former snorkel owner).
Sorry. Hate to be cynical. Just seems snorkels are more a fashion statement than an expo need. (said by me - former snorkel owner).
ZMagic97
Explorer
Electronics aside, it can keep water from entering the engine. Had he gone underwater more, or more quickly, the owner may have gone home with an engine rebuild ahead of them. While I can certainly agree on them often being a fashion statement, some vehicles have issues with hydrolocking due to the original designs in some years.
bkg
Explorer
Sure... Hydrolocking sucks. But a snorkel really offers nothing but false confidence if the electronics, etc are ignored....
jeverich
Luddite
Yes.
This is my exact sentiment.
I avoid water crossings as much as I can. To me, the mechanical repercussions of getting a cool picture of your truck in the water just isn't worth the after effects.. The wheel bearing design on our trucks is absolutely atrocious - in that it relies on a single O-Ring that mates to the brake rotor dust shield, with no seal whatsoever between the dust shield and the spindle. Same goes for the ADD actuator on the front differential, engine ECU, etc...
Of course - if through the water really is the only option, then I'll take it. It's all a risk/reward analysis for me. Usually there's an alternate route.
I'm glad that they were able to get the truck out - would've been incredibly crappy to be forced to leave it overnight. Interesting recovery effort for sure; but it seems as though everyone was safe and methodical. It looks as though the Tacoma was the last truck in the line, and broke through on his own? Or, the other vehicles took an alternate line around him once he was stuck.
The only part that had me cringing was the dude swinging the axe in close proximity to the loaded winch line. Of course, it's entirely too easy to place judgement from behind a computer keyboard...
toyotech
Expedition Leader
ECU is much cheaper to replace than an engine. Besides its much easier to move or make the ECU water proof. Nothing under the hood would matter much if it was in water. I pressure thousands of engine bays with them running with no issues. Now that I think about it. A lot of Toyota ecu are going under the hood which was pretty water proof.
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DVexile
Adventurer
Tacoma has intake in the fender. So it does reasonably well as far as hydro-locking risk goes compared to something sucking from the front.
Most snorkels aren't water tight to begin with so they might reduce hydro-lock risk a bit in a dynamic motion situation but once you are slogging along or otherwise swamped they probably aren't doing much.
From my (limited) understanding on something like a Tacoma the snorkel is really about reducing dust ingestion when in a convoy. Has to do with particle sizes and density distribution with height. Though to be honest I have trouble understanding exactly how the dust intake in the fender is going to compare to an open snorkel a few feet higher...
As others pointed out the truck just isn't otherwise designed for deep water. Not all the breathers are extended and some are nearly impossible to extend. The fan will break apart in water. Electronics relatively low in the chassis and not waterproof.
Anywho, the various modified, bolt on, connect with dryer hose and hose clamps "snorkels" I've seen on Tacoma's aren't anything compared to what a diesel with an actual water proof snorkel can do water wise.
Each time you enter water with these trucks that gets above the hub you are risking something. Heck I saw a nice video of someone crossing just barely above hub height which should have been just fine but on entry the front end was dipped a bit and the fan blades hit the water and shredded. Luckily they didn't puncture the radiator but I've read others less lucky...
Neat photo and video! Impressive recovery. Looked so very, very cold...
Most snorkels aren't water tight to begin with so they might reduce hydro-lock risk a bit in a dynamic motion situation but once you are slogging along or otherwise swamped they probably aren't doing much.
From my (limited) understanding on something like a Tacoma the snorkel is really about reducing dust ingestion when in a convoy. Has to do with particle sizes and density distribution with height. Though to be honest I have trouble understanding exactly how the dust intake in the fender is going to compare to an open snorkel a few feet higher...
As others pointed out the truck just isn't otherwise designed for deep water. Not all the breathers are extended and some are nearly impossible to extend. The fan will break apart in water. Electronics relatively low in the chassis and not waterproof.
Anywho, the various modified, bolt on, connect with dryer hose and hose clamps "snorkels" I've seen on Tacoma's aren't anything compared to what a diesel with an actual water proof snorkel can do water wise.
Each time you enter water with these trucks that gets above the hub you are risking something. Heck I saw a nice video of someone crossing just barely above hub height which should have been just fine but on entry the front end was dipped a bit and the fan blades hit the water and shredded. Luckily they didn't puncture the radiator but I've read others less lucky...
Neat photo and video! Impressive recovery. Looked so very, very cold...