Drawer system for a Disco I?

SeaRubi

Explorer
I can see the use of a one row of drawers laying flat in the cargo area. This would raise the floor height, still allowing you to stack gear on top and store some below.
I cannot, however, see the point of multi-tiered drawer systems. The gear I bring differs greatly whether I'm skiing, hiking, backpacking, fishing, mountain biking, off roading, overlanding. While some of the gear needed overlaps I wouldn't want to be limited by a set of drawers that would need to be packed/unpacked after every trip. Like I said, maybe a sub floor to carry sapre truck parts/tools but otherwise I'll just throw the appropriate totes in the back depending on my activity.

I'm really torn on the shelf vs. drawers choice myself. I really like the idea of the drawers being self contained, but a simpler false floor and pelicans seems more pragmatic. I already have my tools in canvas bags, and all my recovery gear is in canvas rolls. For me price will dictate the choice. I'm probably going to just try to fit the false floor and make sure there are good tie-downs up top that go through to the steel to secure everything else in pelican cases.

A buddy's DII (Dave) with home built drawers turned out excellent using marine plywood a very short pile carpet color matched to the interior. They had the top opening panels for side storage and the two drawers in the center. Turned out extremely nice. I posted a pic of them before in a similar thread to this one.

cheers
-ike
 

h2os2

Adventurer
Thanks Ike for the complements about my storage system :) You looking into getting a nice big "battle wagon" huh?

After searching the internet for a storage box, the prices for them seemed really expensive. Also to have them shipped is more $$. It took about $250 give or take to build my own. There are many more home built ones to look at in the storage area of the forum.
 

craig

Supporting Sponsor, Overland Certified OC0018
Thanks Ike for the complements about my storage system :) You looking into getting a nice big "battle wagon" huh?

After searching the internet for a storage box, the prices for them seemed really expensive. Also to have them shipped is more $$. It took about $250 give or take to build my own. There are many more home built ones to look at in the storage area of the forum.

I see you are in Washington State. Truck Vault is in Sedro Woolley. I drove up there and had mine installed to save on shipping. Great product.
 

sleeoffroad

Adventurer
You are in luck. We have 1 Disco I African Outback drawer system left. Tan carpet. - Regular price was $1245. Clearance price $950.
 

R_Lefebvre

Expedition Leader
why? I don't get this need for ikea showrooms in the back of your truck. What state parks do you hope to hit? I think they're a ways off from
the African Outback.

There's no shame to be had in packing a Coleman 2 burner stove and some quick-prepare food from the grocery store. Let's be real, here. Take that cash for the drawers and use it for gas to go somewhere out of state.

Last time I did that, this is what my cargo area looked like AFTER doing a bit of off-roading.

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It was packed neat and square when I set out, but didn't remain that way for long. The cardboard box had the "quick prepare" food in it. And what happens if I need the recovery gear that is packed in a bag, on the floor, up against the back of the rear seat when I get stuck here?

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Yeah, have fun with that. I guess you could chain-gang it all to shore, yank the truck out, then chain-gang it all back in. With a drawer... you just slide it out. Pelican cases... besides adding even more weight and expense... I guess you could just throw the gear out the back and let if bob around in the water while you work the recovery. :rolleyes: Then throw the muddy boxes back in the truck. :coffee:

I always find it funny that some people deride drawer systems, but then Pelican cases that cost just as much if not more, are less functional, and certainly are more Expo-blingy are presented as being the solution.

Anyway, to the OP, there's also something like this:

http://www.overlandcanada.com/forum/showthread.php?t=698
 

jham

Adventurer
regardless if how expensive pelicans are, or what your solution is, I think the point is that no option is as ridiculously expensive as drawers. I'll admit, I wanted a sweet drawer system in my truck. I still do. But anything with a clearance price of $950 better do a heck of a lot more than hold some gear.

Do these $1k+ drawer systems clean your gear while it's stored inside them? Increase off-road performance? Reduce fuel economy? For that kind of money, it better do something.

I think if one seriously thought about the desire for drawers, you could take that $1k, build yourself a custom set, and have $700 for that emergency break down you're about to experience. You're driving a Land Rover, remember?
 

SeaRubi

Explorer

Ohhh Rob. My God! This is about the 5th time you've posted this pic, and I can no longer hold back on commenting on it. This is going to be all at your expense, Rob. :elkgrin: Fasten your seat belts and let's boogie! :smiley_drive:

See, this is what happens when you pack the truck up as if you were going on a week long picnic at your Aunt Mae's. Given the selection and assortment of items you've got here, there's no way in hell you're going to fit all of it into drawers. Not unless you construct a single drawer that's the size of the cargo hold. Maybe that's your point? Maybe that's what you bought the trailer for. I don't know, but based on this one photograph let's try to help you out a little.

- entropy: respect entropy. If you can see it outside of a cover, a case, or a storage container box then it does not belong. Boxes can be tied down; free ranging items cannot. Check out the kids boot about to fall out. What's going to happen when you get to rainy, muddy, miserable camp and your kid can't find their other boot? Do not under estimate the emotional scarring that can be bestowed upon Unhappy Campers! Do not ruin this activity for your grand children.

- is that luggage I spy? Are you on the way to an airport? I count two red pieces of luggage that clearly appear to be matched. Each member of the family should get a compression sack for their clothes. Those scrunch down to impressively small sizes. "No, dear, we don't worry about wrinkled clothing, because it's folded before it's compressed." Neat-o! And those sacks can then be tossed up in the well of the cargo glass to fill the void between cases or boxes. You could free up half the space in here I think with that alone.

- Is that a plastic garbage bag full of yet more clothing and blankets or something? A larger compression sack can be used for coats, pillows, and perhaps a blanket to use around the camp fire. Check out therm-a-rest compression pillows.

- I don't see a garbage sack. This leads me to believe this photograph is was not taken post camp. Get one of the water proof river sacks and line it with a trash bag. Don't plan to fill it. Look at your food items - if they're all packaged see if you can re-package them inside of washable tupper-ware containers. If it's going to need thrown away re-pack it.

- bags suck. they take up a lot of space. If it's not a compression sack or a dry sack it does not belong. you can put smaller compression sacks inside of a larger dry sack and lash it to the factory roof bars. not the most photogenic thing, but it works. Make everything fit in in hard sided cases that can be stacked. If it won't fit in the case leave it at home.

- it's not Christmas, so nothing should be carried around inside of a huge, space hungry cardboard box. Was this a mystery award of some kind? maybe a Thanksgiving ham. I don't know what it is, but I doubt you need the contents! Once that cardboard gets wet, it'll be useless. Now you've got a huge Thanksgiving ham bouncing around in the cargo hold. Not good. Think of the children. And the ham.

- open plastic tubs full of grub gear. R U forlz? Plastic container boxes are about $8 a piece at your favorite hardware store and are stackable. why is your crap falling out of a tipped over tub stuffed in between stacks of other junk? what good is this tub doing with no lid? none. It's only adding ill will to the Sea of Acrimony that is the back of your truck. You don't need a drawer to clean this up. think about it.

- spares? tools? I assume it's under the mountain of housewares gleaned from the shelves of a Big 5 equivalent. Ohhh - I get it?! You can get a drawer system so that the Mayun Products are nicely organized while the rest of the crap can be tossed back up top just like before. Don't let this happen ... nothing changes aside from the shame being that much more unbearable, due to the irony of having organized recovery gear and tools, while inappropriate-everything-else is stacked on top of it, unsecured, and as much of a candidate for entropy fodder as it was before!

- those chairs came with bags. find them. lash them together and store upright in a row, using them to pad your storage boxes. I've carried up to 4 of these things around. No shame in it - they're good chairs and inexpensive, but they don't have to be tacked on top of everything like this. You're giving us organized Big 5 glampers a bad name. Seriously!

I find it humorous that you've stashed them horizontally as the first thing to grab when opening the door. It says to me - "As soon as I get to camp, I'm going to break out these chairs and sit down and stare at the mountain of pain that awaits me while sipping a beer, pondering this mess and wondering how many hours it will be before I'm able to feed my starving, cranky children. I am doomed! Ohhh the agony. Has my wife stormed away to a lonely peak yet to hide her shame? `guys? Can I get another beer? I'll trade ya one of my hot ones after I dig it out of the back. Have you seen my wife? Where's Fred?' "

As a Big 5 explosion camper myself, I can tell you the answer to this one: Fred's over showing off his new Pelican cases and feeding his kids as if it weren't any big deal at all, while also loaning your wife a cold beer and reassuring her that it's not a big deal that your kid is sitting down to dinner with his own. And it's only been about 20 minutes after pulling in. Fred's wife, Susan, is consoling your wife that it's not that embarrassing since she's not over there with you to dig through things. Your wife is then watching Susan watch Fred, staring up into the orange sky and being momentarily taken aback with the macho image of her husband standing on top of the truck's floor-lined roof rack to toss down a bundle of firewood while describing the view. Fred glances over to his sad friend, Rob, and feels compelled to say something. "He'll get it figured out, don't worry. Isn't that a nice sunset? My God, I love it out here."

Meanwhile, you're just beginning to screw with the tent, because it's going to be dark soon, and you know there's no way in hell you can set it up after that happens. Some time around 10 p.m. you've got dinner ready, but everyone else is fed and having a grand ol' time around the camp fire roasting the marsh mellows that your kids found in the food bin and ran off with. Drunk at this point, you're wondering what to do with the excess food, while speaking in slurred speech with Fred about your custom bumper and how much it weighs and your decisions to build vs. buy.

How do I know all of this to be true?

- Cap'n `Big 5' Ike, welder equipped, over 'n out. :ylsmoke:
 

R_Lefebvre

Expedition Leader
Ike, that's an interesting narrative, and I'm taking it in stride. Just to put a little perspective on it. This whole thing WAS posted as an example of a disaster packing job. What was the disaster? After spending 2 hours trying to break down camp, alone, as my wife tried to corral one sleep deprived 2 year old, I'd had enough. To make matters worse, my wife bashed her head on the corner of the rear door and suffered a significant bleeding wound just as I was trying to actually pack things in the back. After tending to that, I finished loading. This picture WAS posted as an example of what I want to get away from.

-The black bag you see bottom left is my air compressor, which I used to air up after offroading. That is why it is where it is now.

-The luggage... your criticism here seems to go against your common rant about gas>mods. Normally I stuff my clothes into a backpack for hiking/canoeing/whatever. We weren't going hiking/whatever, we were car camping. When dealing with a 2 year old, I'm not going to deal with sorting through a stuff sack or back pack for clothing. I reject your suggestion of a stuff sack for clothes. So we went with what we had. When I get the time/money, I'm going to buy some duffels, or build some nice wooden crates for the trailer.

-The plastic bag is dirty laundry. I shall do better.

-Black bag on the middle right is a ground tent in it's stuff sack. Should I put it in a Pelican case?

-Plastic boxes from the hardware store? I'd love to know how or why those are more stackable than cardboard boxes. I know cardboard sucks for a myriad other reasons we needn't get into. But in terms of stackability, they're the same, in fact, better than cheap plastic boxes because they are dead square, no draft. Ever look in a moving truck? I worked as a mover when I was in college. The box was grabbed when I realized I didn't have anything else to use and we had to get going. gas>mods, right?

-No garbage sack. Yeah, we already got rid of it at the campsite. I actually want to get a Trasharoo, as I think it's the best solution to this problem in any case.

-The plastic tub is a wash basin. No lid. It was stacked nicely. Shift happens.

-Tools/Drawers. You're really trying to dodge this one. Drawers will organize many of these things. Spares/tools, and much of the camping supplies. Everything else could THEN be stacked on top, in an organized fashion using the same suggestions you have made here. It's not an either/or thing. Because, let's face it... you could do the perfect packing job, using all the tips you give here. And if you need the tools, they're still going to be at the bottom. Want a hot lunch on the road? If the cooking stuff is in a drawer, rather than stacked in boxes or compression sacks, it's a simple matter to pull out the drawer to retrieve the stove and utensils.

-The chairs do have bags, and they were in them (they're on the right). Your narrative is amusing only because it missed the mark completely. Yeah, the chairs were thrown on top, and accessed first/last. Why? Because after leaving camp, we stopped at the OVLR auction. That was interrupted by a torrential downpour. I didn't care to stand outside in the pouring rain trying to get the chairs back in their bags.

Your story completely misses the mark. We had a great time, OTHER than dealing with sleep deprived kids, and spending 2 hours trying to take down camp. That's when I decided to say **** ground tents. **** portable kitchens and all that goes with it. And **** trying to cram all this crap into the back of a truck.

Now that we have the trailer, I can stop and be cooking in 2 minutes. I can be in the tent in 1 minute. I can break camp in 15 minutes, by myself. In the back of the truck, I have a grand total of: Tools. Spares. Emergency supplies. Camera gear.
 

R_Lefebvre

Expedition Leader
regardless if how expensive pelicans are, or what your solution is, I think the point is that no option is as ridiculously expensive as drawers. I'll admit, I wanted a sweet drawer system in my truck. I still do. But anything with a clearance price of $950 better do a heck of a lot more than hold some gear.

Do these $1k+ drawer systems clean your gear while it's stored inside them? Increase off-road performance? Reduce fuel economy? For that kind of money, it better do something.

I think if one seriously thought about the desire for drawers, you could take that $1k, build yourself a custom set, and have $700 for that emergency break down you're about to experience. You're driving a Land Rover, remember?

I guess I never even thought about spending $1000 on it. I'll be building my own. It will be integrated with a cargo barrier, which is something else that really needs to be mentioned in this subject. No matter if you're using drawers, bags, compression sacks, or cases. Your stuff needs to be behind a barrier. A dog guard is NOT an effective barrier. It may help you stack higher, but it will NOT hold in a collision.
 

craig

Supporting Sponsor, Overland Certified OC0018
Rob,

Even if you get drawers you're going to need some cases. If you don't have the money for Pelicans, at least get some strong, stackable, plastic bins with lids from Lowes or Home Depot. Action Packers cost a tiny bit more, but are very easy to stack. This will solve your problem in the short-term while you work out what sort of organization system you need longer term.

Some suggestions for getting organized:

- Reduce gear
- Move as much gear as possible out of the cargo area

- Put a table on the rear door and you won't have to carry the foldable table.
- Get Pico chairs (or the other similar but cheaper brand) or kermit chairs to save room on chairs.
- If you are so inclined, a RTT will hold the sleeping bags / pillows.
- Install some tie-downs onto the bolts that hold your front and back seats. This will allow you to strap down tool bags and other gear on the floor of the back seat.

Together this leaves only: Food, Kitchen Gear in the back of the DII.cargo area. Get a compact camping stove to avoid the bulk of a dual burner Coleman.

At this point you might consider drawers or a shelf to better organize things but I think you'll find you no longer have a mess.

Craig
 

craig

Supporting Sponsor, Overland Certified OC0018
I guess I never even thought about spending $1000 on it. I'll be building my own. It will be integrated with a cargo barrier, which is something else that really needs to be mentioned in this subject. No matter if you're using drawers, bags, compression sacks, or cases. Your stuff needs to be behind a barrier. A dog guard is NOT an effective barrier. It may help you stack higher, but it will NOT hold in a collision.

If things are properly contained and strapped down a barrier isn't necessary.
 

R_Lefebvre

Expedition Leader
Craig, that photo was from 2 years ago. My problems are already gone. I have a trailer now and it's all good.

I don't go camping in the truck to "get away from it all", I don't need to. I live in a town with a population of 5000, my property backs onto a large expanse of forest, and I have deer roaming my yard in the mornings, coyotes at night. My family's cottage on a clear lake backs onto a massive area free of population. You can drive 200 miles west, or 50 miles north, east or south without finding a McDonalds. I can see the Milky Way with the naked eye while drinking a cold beer sitting out on the dock. I grew up like this.

I use the truck to explore, visit new places, or support other acitivies (which means even more gear). The idea of packing light just doesn't fly. I want comfortable chairs with a back to relax in. I want a two burner stove so I can cook a proper meal. I have a RTT on the trailer already.

A table on the door does not make it convenient to set up a proper shelter to cook under, since it rains frequently where I live. Though, I do intend to make a table on the door anyway. The tie-downs in the rear seat floor make some sense and I've considered that. Though I have to watch what I put there as I have two kids. That area tends to be reserved for "on the go kid stuff". Toys, books, snacks.

Really, the only thing I haven't sorted out yet is my containerization, which I WILL do.

If I really want to "get away from it all" and go minimalist, I take a canoe, not the truck.

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R_Lefebvre

Expedition Leader
If things are properly contained and strapped down a barrier isn't necessary.

I rarely see anybody restrain their cargo properly. This will not hold.

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And neither will this.

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I've been in a heavy frontal collision, and I've seen what a simple suitcase does to a back seat. It's not pretty. Those straps will not hold.
 

AxeAngel

Expedition Leader
Got any more pics of the first truck? Really clean false floor, i like the height and organization.

-Sam
 

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