Edward Abbey

+ d

Adventurer
"Sometimes it rains and still fails to moisten the desert - the falling water evaporates halfway down between cloud and earth. Then you see curtains of blue rain dangling out of reach in the sky while the living things wither below for want of water. Torture by tantalizing, hope without fulfillment. And the clouds disperse and dissipate into nothingness"



Desert Solitaire gets me a fix when I am between travels. Sometimes it is difficult to separate the work from artist. But a book like Desert Solitaire I want to be pure...it makes his actions, however slight, disappointing.
 

Jonathan Hanson

Well-known member
Sometimes it is difficult to separate the work from artist.

Well put, David. Desert Solitaire was a groundbreaking book and a classic.

Many brilliant and important people thoughout history have led conflicted or even unsavory personal lives. That's no reason to completely dismiss the good they did.
 

robert

Expedition Leader
We're all hypocrites in our own way I suppose…….. I think he always thought of himself as a throwback and wished to live that way.

I own all of his books; I got them while I was in college and a bit more, uh, radical. I liked Fool’s Progress too.
 
Phew! I read this thread a while back, and started looking around, reading about him and excerpts from his books.

If you can separate the works from the man, they're very good.

BUT...

...I won't stoop to malign a dead man in front of his friends. Personally, I might have gone a different way than he...

-Sean
 

DesertRose

Safari Chick & Supporting Sponsor
I don't think Abbey asked to be made some sort of bizarre icon for environmentalists - and so it's unfair to say he didn't walk the walk, actually. He just did his thing and was greatly amused to be held up on a pedestal (actually enjoyed probably throwing things down from the pedestal onto the adoring masses, to see how they'd react . . .)

And personally, I never could get into his writings because I'd met him, knew something of him through his last wife, and thought: "Jeez, if I met this guy on the trail when I was hiking alone, I'd probably unsnap the keeper on my holster . . ."

But I'm very glad he inspired so many to think deeper about important issues!

:bigbossHL:
 

kcowyo

ExPo Original
May I quote the 35th President of the United States? Look it up, whippersnappers.....

"Let us welcome controversial books and controversial authors."

People tend to canonize the guy even though by all accounts, including his own, Abbey was not a politically correct environmentalist.

Whether anyone likes or dislikes his legend, Desert Solitaire is a good read and should be in every outdoor enthusiast's personal library.

:coffee:
 
DesertRose said:
I don't think Abbey asked to be made some sort of bizarre icon for environmentalists - and so it's unfair to say he didn't walk the walk, actually. He just did his thing and was greatly amused to be held up on a pedestal (actually enjoyed probably throwing things down from the pedestal onto the adoring masses, to see how they'd react . . .)
...Just can't keep my mouth shut...

Maybe it was the last bit that led him to make some of the blistering statements he did. If that is the case, his additions are some of the the most unhelpful, divisive, illogical, selfish things I've ever heard, taking stereotypes, fears, and conspiracy theories to their worst possible conclusions for a primed audience.

Put a barbarian in the beauty of the American Southwest and I think he'll turn in to a poet. I think many independent-minded people could have been Edward Abbey...maybe that's the only difference between him and a legion of sycophants, a sense of personal independence. I also don't think it's strange that anyone who can appreciate beauty would try to protect it, or that a talented artist would create based upon it. What I do think is strange is that someone who preached this gospel of reason to anyone who would listen would take their leave from it so often. He tried to protect it, but did his worst...whether intentionally or in a misguided attempt to do his best.

The world still has plenty of poets, and the beauty of the Southwest will long outlast people like Edward Abbey (I hope...they can and do destroy it with their thoughtless behaviour). I think if we do our best to show that it's worth protecting and preserving, people will come to appreciate it just like he did, and respect it better than his actions ever suggested.

Sometimes (ok, a lot), when I'm angry at someone, I'll want to be completely immature and taunt them with their own behaviour--cut them off and go even slower, yell louder, say even more illogical things, show them my perception of the error of their ways by providing an even worse example. It's a natural first instinct--win a fight. It's also the worst possible choice and benefits nobody, and the older I get and the more positive role models I have (like everyone here), the less I react that way (like what I wrote first). The poor choices others made with regard to the environment were in no way a license for him to do the same--much less to do worse, for his part--and were in my opinion just as childish as my desire to get in front of that jerk in traffic and go eeeeeven slooooower.

I have not read Desert Solitaire. What I have read is the shorts, the statements, the forwards, the opinions...from them I can only conclude that if Desert Solitaire is as good as some of you have said, it's a work that stands separate from its author.

At least it gets us talking about the important things...maybe he did have the right idea, since the end result of his over-the-top statements and poor examples may yet be understanding on everyone else's part.

-Sean

*edit* In retrospect...the guy'd probably enjoy even my own editorializing. After all he did poke himself at some of the things I mentioned...
 
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24HOURSOFNEVADA

Expedition Leader
I have read many of Abbey's books. I've lost the quote, so bear with me. He stated that he didn't write for all of the hippies and followers. He wrote for the educated. He never asked to be the center of attention. If you read enough of his books, you'll see that he was well aware of the hypocrisies of his own life, especially early on in life). He threw beer cans out the windows because the "roads were ugly, not the beer cans." Meaning, if there were no roads, there would be no beer cans.

In my opinion, he's up there with Hemingway, Chief Joseph and almost T. Roosevelt. Besides he brought the "KILL YOUR TELEVISION" slogan. There are a few of us here that can relate.
 

cruiseroutfit

Well-known member
Bump from the past :D

I recently dug out my old Abbey books, read Desert Sol. and the Monkeywrench Gang, half way though Hayduke Lives! now. Great reads, regarless... Its been neat to read about places I have visited, the culture I'm surrounded in and his general distaste for outsiders. I stopped by a rare bookstore here in SLC over lunch today, to my amazement he had a extensive collection of Abbey goods, posters, original artwork from the books, some lifesize cutouts of Doc, Bonnie, Hayduke and Seldom... pretty ironic given my recent readings. Oh well, though I would bump the thread. :rockon:
 

dieselcruiserhead

16 Years on ExPo. Whoa!!
This is a great thread and reminds me why I like this board so much, a great discussion on Ed Abbey. I need to read Desert Solitaire again as I've honestly forgotten most of it. Kurt if I remember correctly I think we bought our copies together, in Moab of all places :)
 

cruiseroutfit

Well-known member
dieselcruiserhead said:
This is a great thread and reminds me why I like this board so much, a great discussion on Ed Abbey. I need to read Desert Solitaire again as I've honestly forgotten most of it. Kurt if I remember correctly I think we bought our copies together, in Moab of all places :)

I can't remember if I bought DS in Moab or if that was Monkeywrench Gang (the hardcover commemeritive one?). I still have my original DS from my 10th Grade english class, thats the one I actually read, not surprising at all if I have a double of it though :D I picked up a couple more neat Utah region books today and a reaaally neat 70's era book on the Jeep trails of Colorado in prep for the WC Ouray run this year :cool: If you ever find yourself with some time in SLC, stop by Sam Wellers rare books, he has an extensive collection of all things Utah, particularly LDS books and early pioneer stuff. Also has lots of maps, photos, etc. I could have easily wasted a couple of hours and thousands of dollars there today.
 

bh4rnnr

Adventurer
cruiseroutfit said:
Bump from the past :D

I recently dug out my old Abbey books, read Desert Sol. and the Monkeywrench Gang, half way though Hayduke Lives! now. Great reads, regarless... Its been neat to read about places I have visited, the culture I'm surrounded in and his general distaste for outsiders. I stopped by a rare bookstore here in SLC over lunch today, to my amazement he had a extensive collection of Abbey goods, posters, original artwork from the books, some lifesize cutouts of Doc, Bonnie, Hayduke and Seldom... pretty ironic given my recent readings. Oh well, though I would bump the thread. :rockon:

Been a while since i've read DS. My coppy is currently sitting in a apartment in Madrid. A dang good book, no matter what anybody says.
 

Mike S

Sponsor - AutoHomeUSA
Abbey wrote Desert Solitaire with all the scorn and righteousness of youth. I think he hated the idea that the government had undertaken to protect the land - first, because he was against government, and secondly, that the land NEEDED to be protected. And maybe he resented himself for feeding at the trough as well. He clearly manifested as elitist and arrogant.

Later in his life, he may have been the victim of his youthful excess - forced to either defend and reconcile his writings and his life, or take the Gonzo path of least resistance. I think the Gonzo path won out. Not the first man who could live up to his youth.

Still, I thank him for his art and always reread his books.
 

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