Electrical

I am hoping to make sure I'm not missing anything as I debate some options. If I go with a pop top truck camper like OVRLND, I would want an electrical system powered by a portable power system like Bluetti AC200MAX or similar, possibly a bit smaller. I am hoping to give you the basic structure and make sure I'm not missing anything, as it seems very simple to me.

roof solar ---> Bluetti ---> Blue Sea Traditional Metal DC Panel - 5 positions + DC Socket + USB Charger ---> loads (lights, fridge, etc) ---> back to Blue Sea panel

Here is the most likely fuse panel/switch panel I'm thinking:

Will I be ok without all the crazy bus bars/ battery kill switches all the stuff in a complex trailer electrical system? What am I forgetting to consider?
 
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Cummins_expo

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You will find that you will need to add a component to power your fuse panel. Bluetti used to have a 20- or 30-amp aviation plug for "outgoing power," now it's 48V. You will need to purchase the HUB D1. It's about a 300.00 add-on on so consider that. Ideally, you get the Bluetti DC DC charger 1 / power station/ Hub D1 to have a nice system. But when you add it up, it starts getting $$$

Pecron is a brand with a dedicated 30 amp out put you can tie into your fuse panel. Pair that with something like an ETaker dc to dc with mppt and you get more bang for your buck.
 
You will find that you will need to add a component to power your fuse panel. Bluetti used to have a 20- or 30-amp aviation plug for "outgoing power," now it's 48V. You will need to purchase the HUB D1. It's about a 300.00 add-on on so consider that. Ideally, you get the Bluetti DC DC charger 1 / power station/ Hub D1 to have a nice system. But when you add it up, it starts getting $$$

Pecron is a brand with a dedicated 30 amp out put you can tie into your fuse panel. Pair that with something like an ETaker dc to dc with mppt and you get more bang for your buck.
Thank you for your response. I should probably say here that I am pretty set on having a panel with toggle switches unless it simply won't work with a portable power station. Is there another in-between component between a portable power station (I am not set on Bluetti if another will work better for this) and the fuse panel/toggle switches? I would like to simply plug the portable power station into the fuse panel (assuming I wire in a connector between the 2), then plug the loads into the panel as well using the provided 12v inputs. I am also not set on this panel, I am also looking for one with more inputs, and also see that Blue Sea has a panel wizard, which looks fun. I looked at the HUB D1 and it appears to be a way to do what I suggested, but perhaps negates the need for the panel? Maybe not? Maybe I can just ignore the several outputs on the hub? I really would like to have a tangible toggle switch panel and noticed the one I mentioned is fused. Is there another portable power system (Pecron) that has a better setup for just plugging from the PPS to the fuse panel? Is a fuse needed there before the panel as well? Lots of follow up there, sorry.
 

dstefan

Well-known member
I did basically what you are planning with that same Blue Sea breaker panel and a National Luna DCDC Power Pack in my Ovrlnd. Works great nearly five years running. I added an external inverter, but later removed it as everthing is 12v and/orUSB. I do care a small 300 watt cigarette plug inverter if needed, but almost never use it.
Continuing on with electrical . . .

I ran my non-camper 2nd Gen Tacoma with dual Odesseys with my 50qt ARB as the primary draw on the aux battery. Weight management is a big issue for me so wanted LiFePo for weight to amp hour ratio. Plus figured I'd have other other draws in the camper, so a 100 AH Battleborn gives me 3x the AHs for half the weight of my old Odyessy.

Decided on the National Luna DCDC Powerpack (AKA green box). Got some good holiday deals last year, but it may not be the cheapest way to go. I seriously researched the Jackery and others. Lack of good non-solar charging option along with skepticism about Li-ion durability and handing high Phoenix heat as well as the superior amount of amp hours available put me squarely in the Battleborn LiFePo camp. I also don't want to have to install constant rooftop solar if I can avoid it.

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Pro's:
-- Easy to remove (necessary in Phoenix summers where the camper outside can easily get over 120;
-- has 4 50amp Anderson Power Ports (2 for either input or output, 1 for connection to starter battery for charging, 1 for solar input through built in MPPT controller)
-- multiple other USB ports, 12v cigarette ports and 1 Hella port (sometimes called Powerlet), which is higher amp (15 I think) and snaps tight vs normal 12v cigarette ports
-- came with 25 feet of 16mm (~6AWG) cable for the battery connection with fuses and pre-done Anderson plug
-- 25 amp DCDC charger, with Li profile that fits Battleborns
-- MPPT Solar controller
-- On/Off circuit breaker
-- Ports are all pretty easy to switch out can customize, except for the Andersons
-- Year end deal last year included a hardwired monitor, which is pretty useful to watch the solar charging on my portable solar panel when I use it.
-- I could take it out easily and use it in my 4Runner as well
-- I think it's cheaper and/or more versatile than one of the solar generators for the power

Cons:
-- several $100s more expensive than building my own system
-- Stuck with the box configuration. Can't separate components (well, can't do so easily)
-- No inverter as with Jackery's , etc. I used a Victron Phoenix 500amp inverter as you can see in the picture above. Don't really have much heavy duty AC power needs.

Rest of configuration:
I ran the charging cable in a heavy duty loom out the OEM grommets in the Tundra cab bulkhead passenger side and followed the existing P-side electrical lines to the engine bay and starter battery. You can see the cable under the bedrail and then velcro'd to the Bedrug down to the exit in the right corner.
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My wiring run is kinda long as I'm putting my water cans in the P-side corner to be opposite of the 38 gallon gas tank for weight distribution and didn't want the battery box around the water. Plus, Toyota puts their batteries on the D-side, so I had to add about 8' more 6AWG cable to the supplied cable, but it worked out great.

My camper electrics are in the rear D-side
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I rive-nutted two bolts on the right side and used a self tapping lathe screw on the left in the corner (where it's too tight for a rivnut) to attach a 1/4" baltic birch panel. Used 8AWG from the battery cable tied under the bedrail to go up to the Bluesea switch box. I really like the Bluesea box. Water resistant with 4 15amp breaker switches. I found a great gasket sealed plastic box on Amazon that the panel fits perfectly into a cutout I made on the lid so I can just open the box for wiring or changes without pulling the panel board. My Maxxair fan goes to one switch, a set of 5 Led lights for the cabin goes to another, the built in 12v port and dual USBs are switched from the top switch (comes that way) and I have one left for future use.

And, it's mounted upside down :oops:. . . I actually did that on purpose to put the USB port up high for an out of the way plug-in for a Luminoodle I have which we attach under the awning at night.

FYI -- Bluesea makes a 6 switch version of this little panel which might be more useful -- gives you 3 more switches than this since there's no 12v or USB on that one.

We've really liked these little lights, which I found on Powerwerx. https://powerwerx.com/pwrbrite-led-light-strip
They draw only milliamps, are clip mounted, can be rotated and have an on-off switch. They come with 6ft of cord and and Anderson plug.
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I mounted two inside the cabover hinge for reading lights. They work great with the ability to aim the light, which also allows managing the intensity by rotating into the wall or bounce off the ceiling ,etc.
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There's another over my fridge on the D side at the tailgate Also wired in an Anderson plug to the main light switch in the panel and got a 5th light that I put velco on the mounts so I can move it around and stretch it out under the awning over my stove at night (sorry no pics yet). You can supposedly get colored tubes for them, but they're always out of stock, so I bought a sheet of photo flash gel and scotched taped my own for a bug light.
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Finally the fridge . . .
I didn't want to have my fridge go through the ports on the front panel of my Powerpack. The 12v ports aren't secure enough to guarantee the connection won't come loose off-road and I didn't want to have the on/off switch turn the power off to the fridge. I could have used one of the 50amp output ports, but that's overkill, plus I use them all. So, I drilled a hole in the side of the box and wired ARB's 10awg fridge loom with it's in-line fuse directly to the battery using a15-45amp Anderson plug. I really like the loom as it has a screw-in plug on the other end for the fridge, so nothing can rattle out. Anderson plugs CAN separate, but I'm using one of their clips to secure it so there's no chance of the fridge disconnecting anywhere in the circuit.
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You can also see I put in a Victron smart shunt (upper right corner) so I can monitor amps in an out, voltage and charging via Bluetooth on my phone. Very useful.

Finally, I cut a hole in the P-side and wired in a Noco external plug, so I can just plug external power through the wall. Lets me pre-cool the fridge (now that I have to park outside) all night with the camper locked. Just pull the extension cord and the fridge switches over to DC and we can head out.
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I eventually bought a Victron charger for the battery. One really unexpected benefit was that it turns out that it has a setting for using it as a 12v power source. I just cut off their plug, put a 50amp Anderson plug on it and now I can either charge the battery or run on DC without the battery by connecting to the input plug for my camper wiring. I used this feature a lot when finishing the build out. I haven't used it camping, but if I know I'm going to have shore power it gives me the option, though mostly we're fully off grid.

At this point I'm really happy with the electrical system. It's real easy to work with and performs well. If I was doing it again, I'd have to think real hard about making my own battery box and using a separate DCDC charger and MPPT controller.

There's some advantages of the custom system, but it's a PITA to design and configure, especially without some background in it. I'm used to AC electric work around the house and have done some limited DC work, but wasn't really versed in cabling, crimping, etc and didn't have the tools. I thought I could do the NL Powerpack as simple plug and play and avoid buying a bunch of crimpers, etc.

I did order some premade cables from Powerwerx, but in the end it's expensive to go that route, and I kept finding things I wanted to do, so I just bit the bullet and bought the tools to DIY, and I'm glad I did. I still think, given my level of skill and knowledge at the beginning, the NL Powerpack was the right decision, but if I was doing it in the future again, I'll do my own, now that I'm past the initial learning curve.
 
I did basically what you are planning with that same Blue Sea breaker panel and a National Luna DCDC Power Pack in my Ovrlnd. Works great nearly five years running. I added an external inverter, but later removed it as everthing is 12v and/orUSB. I do care a small 300 watt cigarette plug inverter if needed, but almost never use it.
Thank you, this is very detailed. I hope I read correctly, but it sounds like you plugged many loads directly into the power pack, and hard wired the fridge into the Blue Sea Breaker? Or did i get that wrong? I think what I am asking is if there is anything necessary between the portable power station and the Blue Sea Panel if I simply power the panel and plug all or most loads into the panel as well? I would love to put the power station in the camper in a hidden compartment, plug it into the Blue Sea Panel, plug in the other loads (fridge lights, etc) to the Blue Sea Panel inputs, and be on my way. Am I missing anything in between the PPS output and the Blue Sea connection that I will wire with whatever connector is optimal?
 

dstefan

Well-known member
it sounds like you plugged many loads directly into the power pack, and hard wired the fridge into the Blue Sea Breaker? Or did i get that wrong?
I hard wired the fridge (with a fuse) directly to the battery through a hole I drilled in the side of the NLDCDC box. The ONLY way I want the fridge to be turned off or disconnected from power is via the power button on the fridge itself. To preserve the removability of the battery box I put a smaller 45 amp Anderson Power Pole connector in the fridge line at the box. It has a clip to securely connect the two halves of the connector, so it can’t shake loose, but is easily disconnected when I want to remove the box (which I sometimes use in my 4Runner).

The Blue Sea panel is fed from one of the two 50amp ports on the front of the box. The BS panel switches are permanently wired to: 1) my interior lights, 2) my Max air fan, 3) my Truma heater, 4) the built in USB and Cig lighter plug

On closer look at your panel linked in the OP, I see that it’s an updated version. Mine only has 3 available switches and one is taken up with the the USB and Cig 12v plug

I do plug things directly into the front panel of the NLDC box: 1) the 50 amp feed to the BS panel, 2) the 12v cig plug for my WeBoost, 3) Odds n ends USB for charging devices. I find that having the BS Panel up high with the USB ports and the 12v cig plug is handy as things can be plugged in from the bed when pulled out in my camper. I moved the NLDC battery box to the rear at the tailgate and it’s panel is real handy there. There is still another 50 amp port available (which I use to occasionally charge the battery and did use at one time for the inverter I removed) plus the 50 amp input from the starter battery to the DCDC charger and a 50 amp input port for the Solar controller, which is rarely used for my portable solar panel.

If my BS Panel had more switch positions available I would have wired my WeBost to it, but otherwise this set up works great and it’s kinda handy to have two panels, one high and one low, plus the top of the NLDC battery box is a nice little shelf at the tailgate for devices that are charging.
I think what I am asking is if there is anything necessary between the portable power station and the Blue Sea Panel if I simply power the panel and plug all or most loads into the panel as well?
There should be no need. The Blue Sea panel switches (at least mine) are switchable circuit breakers. My NLDC battery box also has a main shutoff/circuit breaker. The only fuse added to the whole set up was the one in my fridge line which comes with the ARB 10 guage wiring loom, which I highly recommend (really for any fridge).
I would love to put the power station in the camper in a hidden compartment, plug it into the Blue Sea Panel, plug in the other loads (fridge lights, etc) to the Blue Sea Panel inputs, and be on my way
Sure, you can do that. Just run the correct gauge to power the BS Panel for the length of wire (both directions). I used 8 gauge because I had it, but 10 would have been fine.

I’m a big fan of the NLDC Power Pack box with a good LiFePo battery. You get built in solar and DCDC charging and as much capacity as you can fit in a LiFePo battery (it will take up to a group 31 size, so I think you can fit more than 100 ahs in via some of the newer batteries, eg Dakota Lithiums I believe). There's a ton of ports on the Box panel and they can be replaced or upgraded. You can add a shunt to the battery inside the box, which I did after the fact with a Victron shunt and can read my battery info on the phone app. If I want even more capacity, I can plug a second LiFePo battery into the system as well. There’s a reason Mario at AT Overland specs these and National Luna stand alone DCDC chargers in his systems . . .

I hope this helps. It might seem confusing, but it’s really quite simple and has allowed for a lot of flexibility as I added things I hadn’t thought about initially (eg, WeBoost).
 
I hard wired the fridge (with a fuse) directly to the battery through a hole I drilled in the side of the NLDCDC box. The ONLY way I want the fridge to be turned off or disconnected from power is via the power button on the fridge itself. To preserve the removability of the battery box I put a smaller 45 amp Anderson Power Pole connector in the fridge line at the box. It has a clip to securely connect the two halves of the connector, so it can’t shake loose, but is easily disconnected when I want to remove the box (which I sometimes use in my 4Runner).

The Blue Sea panel is fed from one of the two 50amp ports on the front of the box. The BS panel switches are permanently wired to: 1) my interior lights, 2) my Max air fan, 3) my Truma heater, 4) the built in USB and Cig lighter plug

On closer look at your panel linked in the OP, I see that it’s an updated version. Mine only has 3 available switches and one is taken up with the the USB and Cig 12v plug

I do plug things directly into the front panel of the NLDC box: 1) the 50 amp feed to the BS panel, 2) the 12v cig plug for my WeBoost, 3) Odds n ends USB for charging devices. I find that having the BS Panel up high with the USB ports and the 12v cig plug is handy as things can be plugged in from the bed when pulled out in my camper. I moved the NLDC battery box to the rear at the tailgate and it’s panel is real handy there. There is still another 50 amp port available (which I use to occasionally charge the battery and did use at one time for the inverter I removed) plus the 50 amp input from the starter battery to the DCDC charger and a 50 amp input port for the Solar controller, which is rarely used for my portable solar panel.

If my BS Panel had more switch positions available I would have wired my WeBost to it, but otherwise this set up works great and it’s kinda handy to have two panels, one high and one low, plus the top of the NLDC battery box is a nice little shelf at the tailgate for devices that are charging.

There should be no need. The Blue Sea panel switches (at least mine) are switchable circuit breakers. My NLDC battery box also has a main shutoff/circuit breaker. The only fuse added to the whole set up was the one in my fridge line which comes with the ARB 10 guage wiring loom, which I highly recommend (really for any fridge).

Sure, you can do that. Just run the correct gauge to power the BS Panel for the length of wire (both directions). I used 8 gauge because I had it, but 10 would have been fine.

I’m a big fan of the NLDC Power Pack box with a good LiFePo battery. You get built in solar and DCDC charging and as much capacity as you can fit in a LiFePo battery (it will take up to a group 31 size, so I think you can fit more than 100 ahs in via some of the newer batteries, eg Dakota Lithiums I believe). There's a ton of ports on the Box panel and they can be replaced or upgraded. You can add a shunt to the battery inside the box, which I did after the fact with a Victron shunt and can read my battery info on the phone app. If I want even more capacity, I can plug a second LiFePo battery into the system as well. There’s a reason Mario at AT Overland specs these and National Luna stand alone DCDC chargers in his systems . . .

I hope this helps. It might seem confusing, but it’s really quite simple and has allowed for a lot of flexibility as I added things I hadn’t thought about initially (eg, WeBoost).
This is amazing and seriously helps. Thank you so much for taking the time to write this all up. Your system seems like you really put a lot of thought into it and looks pretty solid.
 

dstefan

Well-known member
Glad to help! My whole set up was intended to be minimal and yet comfortable, and for us, so far, it is. It all depends on your needs/wants. What I did won’t support induction cooktops, 120v electric kettles, microwaves, ACs, etc, but after nearly 5 years so far, we haven’t wanted/needed those. If you’re not needing that stuff, you can use pretty much all 12v devices and systems and keep it pretty simple yet functional.

It’s really horses for courses. YMMV as always! Show us how it ends up when you’re done . . .
 

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