EMP

94Discovery

Adventurer
Why r u driving in a zone were nuclear bomb r exploding every day ?
Ask yourself why tanks r diesel operated and the military aircraft are triple shielded all there wiring .....................
 
manual trans tdi- single wire engine. Fuel shut off solenoid requires voltage to run. Parked on a grade would require no starter and aside from voltage to keep fuel solenoid open uses no voltage to run so alternator diodes could be fried and it would run for days.

remove the fuel solenoid plunger and roll start it and you wouldn't even need a battery. Turning it off would require stalling it out though...
 

overlander

Expedition Leader
There have been several mass coronal ejections from the sun creating solar storms that simulate EMP over the years, and while we've heard impacts to utilities to include power grid and telecom, we've never heard of cars dying in traffic. If there was a serious EMP attack, I think the only cars that would be dead would be electric cars plugged in to chargers.
 

Holland

Observer
Only a fool would use a land rover as a bug out vehicle... I mean seriously.

Op wants the most electrically unreliable vehicle to survive an electrical failure.

Land Rover electrics fail themselves, no need for an EMP...
 

Javelinadave

Adventurer
Park whatever vehicle you have in a giant faraday cage (closed conex) and you should be good to go or as stated above, a one wire diesel defender.
 

LR Max

Local Oaf
Question: if the vehicle is off, would it still be subjected to the EMP?

Dumb question, just curious. Also doesn't an EMP blow out capacitors? I think I have a few of those in my Series 3...doing...things.

That said, I don't know why everyone thinks carburetors are so great. They are an old technology that is finicky, unable to adapt, and always doing something inconvenient. I'd rather drive a EFI car anyday and deal with an EMP rather than drive a carb car everyday. Of wait, I do!

Heck I'm trying to switch my 109 over to EFI just because it is so much better on and off road. Less maintenance and better performance. Also getting 1 or 2 more mpg increase would be nice as well.
 

Finlay

Triarius
Question: if the vehicle is off, would it still be subjected to the EMP?

Dumb question, just curious. Also doesn't an EMP blow out capacitors? I think I have a few of those in my Series 3...doing...things.


This is going to be grossly oversimplified, but the answer is "it depends, but probably not". Here's why. An EMP is just a moving electromagnetic field. When a conductor encounters a changing EM field, voltage potentials - and thereby current - can be induced. This is how generators work (and motors in the reverse). But this effect isn't magic - the orientation, shape, and material, and duration all matter a great deal.

In Russia, they had fires along power and phone lines from an EMP burst. Telegraph operators in the late 1800s had similar problems after a large solar flare. Long conductors separated by large distances can see large induced currents from these fields. So, for an EMP field of 30-50Kv/m and a large conductor, you can realize some tremendous amperage. Also, such blasts are pretty short lived - from nano to micro seconds. A nanosecond is about 11 inches long; that is that at the speed of light, you go about 11 inches in a nanosecond. A large conductor has time and distance to build up a lot of charge over a long distance.

Small electronics are subject to the same effects, and are more sensitive overall. An extra 2 amps won't hurt your telephone wire, but could melt a circuit board. However, because electronics are much smaller, they don't see the same currents as large ones do. The potentials just aren't there. Plus, they are more likely to be oriented in such a way that the currents generated by the field are negligible in the aggregate. So, the potential for ruination exists, but it is far from guaranteed.

Most car electronics aren't super hardened. But they are encased (usually) in some metal container and wrapped up inside the sheet metal of the hood/fenders, etc. That's a fair bit of shielding for the computers themselves. But, so too, the wires that feed them - they are wrapped in other wires (usually) and also contained within the chassis. That's not perfect shielding, but it should be good enough in most cases.
 

LR Max

Local Oaf
In Russia...in the late 1800s...

There is your problem right there.

Thanks for the lesson. But as others have said, unless an EMP explodes over my head (I do live in ATL so I think we'd get nuked so I'll be dead and my truck will be vaporized so I'll be having a beer during lunch here directly) then it sounds like we won't be too bad.

How many solar flares do we have? Never had an issue with any of my vehicles.
 

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