Engine Bay Specifications (Future Diesel Swap), Engine swap Questions.

4D56-T

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The two diesels I've owned,

87' non-intercooled 2.5-stock...Loaded to the tits over 14,000kms averaged 11.9L/100kms.

91' intercooled 2.5-worked over a bit on 35's, I average 10.3-10.8L/100kms on summer blend diesel, hand calculated every time.

My brothers 90' intercooled 2.5 with fuel/boost mods loaded to GVW (2500kgs) on 33's average 12L/100kms on our last trip.

All these figures are between 90-100km/h mind you.

The 4M40 returns similar figures but can also move along better.
 

SoCalMonty

Explorer
What is the fuel economy on the diesel anyway?

I found these published for the 1997 2800 TD:

Fuel consumption city 17 MPG (13.9 l/100km)
Fuel consumption highway 24 MPG (9.6 l/100km)
Fuel consumption combined 21 MPG (11.2 l/100km)

To compare that to my '95 DOHC, I recently returned my best MPG on the way back from Death Valley. I normally drive between 60-68mph on the highway.

I got 16.85mpg as a best, nearly all highway, which is about 13.96 L/km.

Mixed driving, I get around 15.1mpg, which is about 15.58 L/km.

That 2800TD would be nice, IMHO, if it would return around 25% better economy. The downside is that these numbers are for a 5-speed manual with 125hp.

http://ipocars.com/vinfo/mitsubishi/pajero_2800_td-1997.html
 

off-roader

Expedition Leader
Those Diesel fuel economy numbers are for a brand new and probably unloaded rig running properly inflated stock tires.
 

SoCalMonty

Explorer
Those Diesel fuel economy numbers are for a brand new and probably unloaded rig running properly inflated stock tires.

They're probably pretty close...mine is lifted on 33's with almost 150k miles and I'm still getting right in line with the EPA estimates of 13 city/17 highway (16.85mpg is pretty close to 17). Actually, the worst I've ever gotten was 13.5 with all city driving.

The numbers are usually on the money from my experience, driving style makes the biggest difference though.
 

off-roader

Expedition Leader
They're probably pretty close...mine is lifted on 33's with almost 150k miles and I'm still getting right in line with the EPA estimates of 13 city/17 highway (16.85mpg is pretty close to 17). Actually, the worst I've ever gotten was 13.5 with all city driving.

The numbers are usually on the money from my experience, driving style makes the biggest difference though.
For your numbers I assume your calculating them based on a larger than stock tire? If not, the calculated mileage will be even higher.
 

SoCalMonty

Explorer
For your numbers I assume your calculating them based on a larger than stock tire? If not, the calculated mileage will be even higher.

Yeah, I did a few trips with the odometer vs GPS. Discrepancy was about 5.9x percent (I had covered about ~6% more distance than the odometer indicated). When I fill up and enter the numbers into Fuelly for tracking purposes, I'll subtract ~6% from the amount of fuel it took to fill it up, so that the MPG and the mileage on my odometer both stay in line with each other.
 

off-roader

Expedition Leader
Yeah, I did a few trips with the odometer vs GPS. Discrepancy was about 5.9x percent (I had covered about ~6% more distance than the odometer indicated). When I fill up and enter the numbers into Fuelly for tracking purposes, I'll subtract ~6% from the amount of fuel it took to fill it up, so that the MPG and the mileage on my odometer both stay in line with each other.

If you're tracking fuel consumption, shouldn't you add 6% to the actual read miles instead then calculate your fuel economy? This way, its also easy to keep track of maintenance intervals as well as actual vehicle mileage.
 

SoCalMonty

Explorer
If you're tracking fuel consumption, shouldn't you add 6% to the actual read miles instead then calculate your fuel economy? This way, its also easy to keep track of maintenance intervals as well as actual vehicle mileage.

6% is negligible for service intervals...I don't follow regular intervals anyway. I check stuff all the time and replace it when it needs to be replaced, regardless if I'm under or over a recommended interval. My timing belt is approaching 80k miles, for example, but I had the covers off to inspect it (as well as some seals) and they're all fine. I'll check them again with the next oil change.

Mostly it's because I'd already started my Fuelly tracking with the odometer reading when I first got the truck. I'd have to go back and edit every individual entry since it's logged based on mileage. Adjusting the fuel lets me keep logging my Fuelly stats without editing all of my previous entries.
 

eurosonic

Expedition Leader
So Ive been looking into this and found someone who can deliver an entire Montero from Japan cut in half, with 2.8 diesel engine, 5.29 gearing, manual, all the goodies that our monteros dona have, all for $4500.
 

Sabre

Overlanding Nurse
So Ive been looking into this and found someone who can deliver an entire Montero from Japan cut in half, with 2.8 diesel engine, 5.29 gearing, manual, all the goodies that our monteros dona have, all for $4500.

Whoa! What year/generation? That's the entire cost FOB a US port of entry or what? Any import duties on (what I assume would be) auto parts?
 

eurosonic

Expedition Leader
yeah, Its thought a buddy of mine who knows someone at JDM Engine corp. So $4500 includes everything, car will be at their warehouse in Texas.
 

loremordred

Observer
Wow...

Looks like I am going to have to get another job, just to get Diesel Monty.... The possibilities.

Is there a legit link, webpage, phone number we can get to verify this? or is this just Someone, who knows someone, who knows someone that can do it?

Either way... you got my "wheels" spinning.
 

SoCalMonty

Explorer
It's nothing I could afford in the next 12 months...but something to consider for the future perhaps. Though, I wonder how long it would take to pay for itself in fuel savings. Hmmm...

Assuming a 20% increase in economy, it would take me 250 fill-ups to cover the cost of buying the used engine (there will be lots of extras, I'm sure...but I'm ballparking here). At 5 tanks per month, that's 50 months, or a little over 4 years, for the fuel savings to cover the engine purchase. Assuming another $1000 in incidentals, maybe closer to 5 years.

I need to win the lottery. :(
 

eurosonic

Expedition Leader
Yeah, check out JDM Engine corp website. I think they have some Diesel engines in stock right now. As far as whole car, we spoke w/ the guy that works there last weeks.
 

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