Expected use time out of a power pack before recharge?

[67cj5]

He's absolutely right, and we had this exact discussion months ago.

Well I fully intended to buy a Generator to run my fridge and it was speaking to the Engel Guy that changed my mind, which at first left me disappointed then he told me about using a normal charger plugged in to the generator and then running the fridge via the battery sort of gave me another option, In away it annoys me but I have spent a small fortune on these fridges and I would blow my top if a generator killed my fridge,

 

[67cj5]

Here is a video that shows that even Honda can't be relied upon, Dropping 30 volts on the first test and 9 volts on the second test being compared to a much cheaper Champion Generator of similar size,

To a Fridge or any other computer controlled device a voltage Drop can be just as lethal as a voltage spike, which just goes to show that no generator regardless of the brand is bullet proof which is why it is safer to run your fridge via a battery First.

 

[shade]

Here is a video that shows that even Honda can't be relied upon, Dropping 30 volts on the first test and 9 volts on the second test being compared to a much cheaper Champion Generator of similar size,

To a Fridge or any other computer controlled device a voltage Drop can be just as lethal as a voltage spike, which just goes to show that no generator regardless of the brand is bullet proof which is why it is safer to run your fridge via a battery First.

Every single device ever made can fail. At 13:26 in the video (just click below), he said he thought that something was wrong with that specific generator, btw. If you want someone to agree that broken things may not perform as well as unbroken things, I'm with you, but I don't think there's much doubt about that.


No one has ever said that any brand is "bullet proof", but decades of use has shown that some generators can certainly can be relied on. If you choose not to, that's fine, but they're hardly the failure prone, equipment eating machines you make them out to be.

 

[67cj5]

Every single device ever made can fail. At 13:26 in the video (just click below), he said he thought that something was wrong with that specific generator, btw. If you want someone to agree that broken things may not perform as well as unbroken things, I'm with you, but I don't think there's much doubt about that.


No one has ever said that any brand is "bullet proof", but decades of use has shown that some generators can certainly can be relied on. If you choose not to, that's fine, but they're hardly the failure prone, equipment eating machines you make them out to be.

I know what the guy said in the video, my point in posting it was to show how the voltage can change from one extreme to another, It could of quite easily of been the other generator that suffered a voltage problem, It's just unfortunate that it was the $2000 generator that has an issue..

I did not say they were equipment eating machines, My point was that for some reason Fridges seem to fail more than any other type of electronic equipment,

12v fridges have not been on the market in the US as long as in Australia and South Africa and it is a fact that powering a fridge from a generator is the number One cause of failure next to Coolant leakage,

 

[shade]

I know what the guy said in the video, my point in posting it was to show how the voltage can change from one extreme to another, It could of quite easily of been the other generator that suffered a voltage problem, It's just unfortunate that it was the $2000 generator that has an issue..

I did not say they were equipment eating machines, My point was that for some reason Fridges seem to fail more than any other type of electronic equipment,

12v fridges have not been on the market in the US as long as in Australia and South Africa and it is a fact that powering a fridge from a generator is the number One cause of failure next to Coolant leakage,

Come on. You've made all sorts of claims about generators killing fridges and other equipment that are hardly as mild as ^ that statement.

Also, let's look at that post again because you had a different point - until I called you out about the video having a suspect generator.

Here is a video that shows that even Honda can't be relied upon, Dropping 30 volts on the first test and 9 volts on the second test being compared to a much cheaper Champion Generator of similar size,

To a Fridge or any other computer controlled device a voltage Drop can be just as lethal as a voltage spike, which just goes to show that no generator regardless of the brand is bullet proof which is why it is safer to run your fridge via a battery First.

Voltage spikes, voltage drops, whatever. It's hard to keep up with whatever you're on about, and you've yet to support any of it with anything more than stories, and a video of a damaged generator.

As a side Note, If and when you buy a fridge "DON'T" run your fridge direct from the generator because as they Rev up to compensate for the load being used or when they run out of fuel they will Rev Up causing a voltage spike and that is the main Killer of Fridges, You "CAN" use the built in charger that most generators have to charge the battery or Plug in a normal charger to the generator to charge your batteries but make sure the fridge is running from the batteries because they will Act as a Buffer so any spikes the Generator sends out will be absorbed by the Batteries protecting the fridge at all times, no matter if you use the little built in charger on the generator or use a normal mid powered plug in charger, All of the generator companies make claims that their products are safe for sensitive items etc But they are not and they will kill a fridge, Sooner or later, Ok.

Hope that helps,

Since you're into facts, let's see your data on failure rates of 12V fridges and other "sensitive items" that supports your statements.

Barring that, I'll leave you to your tales of out of control generators and the havoc the create.

 

[Alloy]

Not sure about the PWM (pulse width..) Yamaha uses now but previous inverter models were pure sine a full RPM and modified sine at lower RPM.

 

[shade]

Not sure about the PWM (pulse width..) Yamaha uses now but previous inverter models were pure sine a full RPM and modified sine at lower RPM.

It doesn't matter. They all lie in wait, preying on fridges and their unsuspecting owners.

No that's not right at all, It does not matter if they have AVR and pure sign wave or Both, Don't be fooled in to thinking that just because a person buys a $2000 generator that this problem Only applies to cheap generators because it Don't, They All Do It, The Guys from Engel don't make this up and just as many fridges have died because of Honda generators as have with other brands, This Issue is Not Brand or Price specific, Believe what you want but you have been warned, Yours might be safe for a week or a month or even a Year but It will happen and it is not a matter of IF it happens it is a matter of When it Happens.

 

[67cj5]

Come on. You've made all sorts of claims about generators killing fridges and other equipment that are hardly as mild as ^ that statement.

Also, let's look at that post again because you had a different point - until I called you out about the video having a suspect generator.



Voltage spikes, voltage drops, whatever. It's hard to keep up with whatever you're on about, and you've yet to support any of it with anything more than stories, and a video of a damaged generator.




Since you're into facts, let's see your data on failure rates of 12V fridges and other "sensitive items" that supports your statements.

Barring that, I'll leave you to your tales of out of control generators and the havoc the create.

I don't need to back anything up I have seen the end results,

If you want to know more then Why not send an email to Engel Australia and ask them if it safe to run a fridge directly from a generator and see what they say,

I don't know why you are so upset about it, the fact that is all I am doing is trying to save you money on fridge repairs or replacement in the long run,

It makes no difference to me if you plug it direct to your generator because I am not the one who is going to end up out of pocket, So keep doing it,, LOL.

 

[shade]

I don't need to back anything up I have seen the end results,

If you want to know more then Why not send an email to Engel Australia and ask them if it safe to run a fridge directly from a generator and see what they say,

I don't know why you are so upset about it, the fact that is all I am doing is trying to save you money on fridge repairs or replacement in the long run,

It makes no difference to me if you plug it direct to your generator because I am not the one who is going to end up out of pocket, So keep doing it,, LOL.

And in the end, you've got nothing. Again.

If you can't be bothered to support your claims, I still have no reason to take you seriously. If others want to, that's up to them.

 

[67cj5]

And in the end, you've got nothing. Again.

If you can't be bothered to support your claims, I still have no reason to take you seriously. If others want to, that's up to them.

Ok have it your way,

I don't stand to make a profit out of this so I have got nothing to gain and I don't have to justify trying to do someone a favour,

 

[shade]

I decided to do your work for you. Here's an Engel fridge manual, and here's the part that has caused confusion (see pg. 4):



Setting aside the contradiction between being told to never use a generator, and to contact a dealer with questions about compatible generators, the problem with 67cj5's dire warnings is that we've been discussing generators with very good automatic voltage regulators (AVRs).

In short, they already have the AVR capability that Engle recommends, and we're back to where we were months ago.

 

[67cj5]

I decided to do your work for you.

It's Not my work or MY Job,

And again What you posted is NOT what I was referring to, the point is even AVR type generators are not 100% Safe,

Like I said, you keep using yours that way and I will get ready for the ticker tape parade when it all goes south.

 

[shade]

Ha! Well, that may not have been whatever you were referring to, but with regard to generator use, that's definitely what concerned Engle. As I explained, it's simply not a problem when using the correct generator.

I wonder why Engle didn't mention whatever you were referring to in their manual? You'd think that they'd be concerned enough to place a prominent warning in there somewhere, what with all of the damage being caused.


I remain unconcerned about your continued predictions of doom based on ... nothing.

 

[67cj5]

Anyways back to the original topic,

If the Ambient Temp is around 16* most fridges can and will run for up to 6 and a half days before the battery gets to the 50% mark, If the temp rises to around 20*c+ then the battery will last for around 2,1/2 to 3 and a half days when set at around 2* to 4*c, Once the ambient temp rises the battery draw will also go up too.