Five person expo ambo

JeEpXjSaM

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I am i the planing and research phase of an expo ambo like this 5 person expo ambo.JPG credit where credit is due. modifed from patoz's 0.5 ambo build.
I am looking to be able to carry my wife, three kids and myself across the country. i have read patoz's, Ozrockrat's and rlrenz's ambo build threads.
I figure im gonna need two type 3 ambos. 1 good running and the other with a box in good shape. the main rigg is gonna be for me and my wife while the towed box is gonna be for the kids.Will be for light off-road see the counrty type build. looking for ideas, comments, feedback.
thanks JeEpXjSaM:wavey:http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/images/smilies/wavey.gif
 

tgreening

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4x4, or no? If no I might question the use of an ambo box as your toad. HEAvy. A more standard RV hard side might make it a bit easier on you. If you plan to really get off the beaten path, then the ruggedness of the ambo box has no equal in the RV industry, but again it's a heavy bugger.
 

patoz

Expedition Leader
I just found this thread and when I first looked at it I thought, hey that diagram looks familiar. Then it was, hey that's my diagrams made into one! Hahaha, no problem using it and I appreciate you giving me credit for it. Since I don't have any CAD programs installed, I had to do it the old fashion way with a pencil, eraser, and a scanner. Besides, I stole it back and added it my original two. :)

On the subject of weight, mine weighed 5,200 lbs. empty with the Ford rear axle and a temporary tarp on the front opening. Since then I swapped out the Ford axle for a Rockwell 10,000 lb, axle with electric brakes, and replaced the tarp with 1/8" aluminum diamond deck. The Rockwell is 5" in dia. vs. the Ford 4" dia., and the Rockwell has brakes but the Ford still had the ring, pinion, and carrier along with the axle shafts installed. Therefore, I don't believe the weight has changed very much at all. By the time it's finished with all of the equipment installed and gear inside, I can see it weighing 6,000 lbs, easily.
 

JeEpXjSaM

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4x4 yes. And very far off the beaten path. The towed ambo box will be mostly gutted and the rear axle replaced by a new heavy duty trailer axle with brakes. The main ambo will have air bags (unless it already has them) and some mild engine upgrades for power and reliability. Towed box will have solar panels covering the whole roof( if my power needs require that many panels). And be used for the kids bunks and storage for extra fuel, battery banks(tbd),extra food and water (1 to 2 weeks supply). Main ambo will be used for transporting my wife me and my children on the driving portion. Then will be used for cooking and sleeping for my wife and I. I will use a bed like in ozrockrats (iirc) build thread the folding van seat bed so my kids can buckle up while driving.

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JeEpXjSaM

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amazing what you can do with ms paint lol here is v2.0 5 person expo ambo mod.JPG not totally set on the zombie stuff yet but i had some free time today and the wife and kids got a real good kick out of v2.0
 

patoz

Expedition Leader
That's pretty cool looking! I used to mess around with Paint quite a bit, but haven't fooled with it several years now. Back around 2000, I started learning AutoCad but didn't get very far with it before other things got in the way.
 

JeEpXjSaM

New member
What should I look to upgrade? I know the usual led lights(inside and out), different battery charger, fuse panel (blue sea). Any other good advice.

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patoz

Expedition Leader
Besides adding the additional camping utilities such as a sink, water tanks, holding tanks, refrigerator/freezer, stove, etc., a separate 'house battery' system is almost a necessity, along with the additional means of charging it, such as a four stage 120VAC shore power charger, solar panels, generator, and the vehicle's alternator itself. In your proposed setup with the towed trailer, I would build a second, completely separate, onboard 'house battery' system for it. That way it can operate independent of the primary tow vehicle when they are separated. It could probably be somewhat smaller, since it won't have as much in it and it's power requirement will be somewhat less.

Basically, this is the infrastructure of the camping part of the vehicle. It should be build to the best standard you can afford and have the ability to be upgraded and expanded if need be. Everything else is just decoration and comfort.

Once you get your vehicle(s) and see what it already has, then you will be better equipped to see what you will need to upgrade and add. Right now it would be very premature to start recommending products without knowing anything about the vehicle(s).
 

rlrenz

Explorer
Welcome to the wonderful world of ambulance conversions!

I see several problems right from the start, and they are all due to weight. As Pat mentioned, his trailer will probably run about 6000 Lbs, which makes for a heavy trailer. The tow vehicle will need to be able to move this, both at high way speeds, and off the road.

MNtal is rebuilding a Freightliner/Horton medium ambulance so he can tow his off-road vehicles, which means a 10,000 Lb trailer. His Freightliner has a Cummins 8.3 engine, and he has told me that he's planning to add a pyrometer and get it tuned for more HP. Food for thought.

In my opinion, the best approach would be for you to make the tow vehicle and the trailer as independent vehicles - each can live without the other. This means 2 solar systems, 2 water systems, 2 battery systems, etc. Otherwise, one equipment failure could stop things cold.

If your first build is the ambulance itself, then you can get it out on the road while the trailer build is in-process.

Lighting? Worry about the fixtures that you will use daily, such as the ceiling lights. I installed Tecniq ambulance ceiling lights in my module, and cut my ceiling light amp load from 30 amps down to 7 amps. Since these lights will be the primary lights I'll use, the expenditure was well worth it. On the other hand, the lighting in my compartments is via incandescent rope lights. Very inefficient, but since they only come on when the cabinet door is open, plus they don't draw a lot of power, they will stay there for as long as they are operable.

Virtually every ambulance comes with a Vanner inverter/charger. It does what it does well, but I disconnected the charger portion of the Vanner since it is a 3-stage charger. I went with a high quality charger with 4-stages: every 7 days, it does an equalizing charge.

Blue Sea electrical components are about as good as you can find - I found the best price on Amazon (figure out the part number of what you want through the Blue Sea catalog, then do an Amazon search for that number) - right about 40% off list price.

Wire should be rated for the use you plan. Del-City has 100 ft rolls available of under-hood rated (Type GXL, for instance) wire, but I use marine stranded wire inside the module. You will find that ambulance builders generally use commercial SO rubber power cable for 120 volt runs. Never try to connect SO cable with wire nuts - the fine strands result in a connection that is very poor, and the wire nut can usually be pulled off after a while with 2 fingers. Only use either crimp or solder terminals for all your wire terminations - you'll primarily need 14-10 gauge. When you crimp, use a ratchet crimper instead of a pliers type. When I terminate SO cable, I look at the copper, and if it needs cleaning, I like to use a wire wheel so the inner strands get cleaned as well as the outer strands.

Don't be in a hurry to yank things out, and don't be in a rush to throw away what you do remove. Ambulance parts are 90% off the shelf, but the shelf can run into money. Save any used bulbs - new ones, especially for Whelen emergency lighting, can run more than $20 per each (at that point, a used bulb is just fine with me). If your compartment door locks are cranky, they can be easily cleaned, and new Fort cores bought from someone like www.selecttechambulance.com.

Also, periodically check the Foster Coach (www.fostercoach.com) site for surplus components - that's where I've found a lot of what I need at a nice discount.

It's too bad that we all can't sit down at a table with a pile of donuts and lots of coffee every week or so, isn't it?

Have fun, and you're always welcome to ask questions an offer suggestions.

Ciao -
 

JeEpXjSaM

New member
i never use wire nuts. my wire connection go as follows non insulated crimp connectors, then soldered, electric tape or liquid electric tape, and finally heat shrink tubing. way overkill but i have never had any wiring issues with anything i have wired. although it does take freaking forever to do, but as the saying goes do it right the first time and forget it. also i never throw anything out i am a pack rat (sometimes gets me in trouble with the wife lol) because about the time i throw something away i end up needing it.i wish i could afford a medium duty ambo because that was my first choice, but everyone i have found was way out of my price range. i will be buying the main ambo first and i will see if i need the 2nd ambo box. thats why i started this thread to get info and advice from people who have built ambos before. thank you everyone for all the help, advice and constructive criticism i really appreciate all the help.
 

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