deadbeat son
Explorer
I don't really understand. What makes this the "replacement for the H1"?
True, but then why make claims such as:
True, but then why make claims such as:
Ford F554, the replacement for the H1 is here.
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scrubber3
Not really here
Seriously? 97,000 dollars for a work truck with no bed? This boggles my mind. I can buy two fully loaded H1s for this. Someone explain why it's so expensive? I can get a diesel work truck and add some offroad axles, bigger tires,yadda, yadda for a tiny fraction of this price.
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New H1's were $98,000 (base price) and they Didnt have CTIS standard, they didnt have a 19,500 GVWR, 350 HP 5550 ft lbs, and the F554 can be serviced at any dealership, worldwide. these trucks have planetary ends and CTIS With the payload and capacity of a Unimog U300. The only advantage a Hummer has is 2 more inches of ground clearance in the center of the diff. SO, is it "The most capable truck in America"? is there one better? (still in production in the US)
REDROVER
Explorer
if we speak as on production now ,yes it is the most capable.. used hummer h1 alpha is still going for $$ 130.000+ with 50k miles on it but it offers beautiful interior with all the military design , with grade 8 steel
and the new HUMMER H1 coming up next year or so
with caterpillar diesel and Allison transgood job by our American car makers for stepping up to make a truck like this ford , its about the time to show the world if we can build stealth bombers we also can build awesome cars and trucks .
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"...add some offroad axles, bigger tires,yadda, yadda for a tiny fraction of this price..."
Sure, there are ways to approach the F554 package with a used truck, junkyard axles, used Hutchinson beadlocks and so on. You'll have the satisfaction of building the truck. For some people, this is the only alternative since they will never be able to afford a $95K truck.
The advantage of the F554 is that it's a package with a warranty that can be purchased next week. That's what business customers want and need.
Sure, there are ways to approach the F554 package with a used truck, junkyard axles, used Hutchinson beadlocks and so on. You'll have the satisfaction of building the truck. For some people, this is the only alternative since they will never be able to afford a $95K truck.
The advantage of the F554 is that it's a package with a warranty that can be purchased next week. That's what business customers want and need.
scrubber3
Not really here
While you guys are saving to afford one, and then saving to afford something to put on the back, I'll be driving my more than capable $1500 build. I can say, if I did have the money for that, I'd likely not purchase it because well let's be honest, I don't want to scratch something I just dumped 100 grand on. Well, more if you want something on the back.
Oh, let's see how well they back up that warranty should you need it. I figure they'd probably find something with whatever you put on the back causing the problem anyway thus rendering the warranty useless.... Not to mention, but a warranty for a 97,000 dollar vehicle is funny considering how I can afford to fix something else several times over.... And over.... And over, before I even come close to that price tag. Lol
Come on, it's an overpriced work truck. Face it.
Granted, they are trying.... Just way too proud of it.
And you can find a used H1 for less than 50,000 dollars. In great shape BTW.....
Oh, let's see how well they back up that warranty should you need it. I figure they'd probably find something with whatever you put on the back causing the problem anyway thus rendering the warranty useless.... Not to mention, but a warranty for a 97,000 dollar vehicle is funny considering how I can afford to fix something else several times over.... And over.... And over, before I even come close to that price tag. Lol
Come on, it's an overpriced work truck. Face it.
Granted, they are trying.... Just way too proud of it.
And you can find a used H1 for less than 50,000 dollars. In great shape BTW.....
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TangoBlue
American Adventurist
Let me help you wrap your mind around this. Anyone looking at purchasing these vehicles is likely not contemplating "saving up" for one...
The rest of us will just look on, slack-jawed.
scrubber3
Not really here
Let me help you wrap your mind around this. Anyone looking at purchasing these vehicles is likely not contemplating "saving up" for one...
The rest of us will just look on, slack-jawed.
True, that did cross my mind a time or two. I for one am saving up for an H1.
chilliwak
Expedition Leader
Liventre, do you own a Ford dealership?:ylsmoke:
deadbeat son
Explorer
I guess it depends on how you define capable. If one's definition of capable includes things such as approach angle, departure angle, break over angle, turning radius, maneuverability, and proven reliability, then no, it's definitely not.
The most capable medium duty truck? Perhaps it is.
Larry
Bigassgas Explorer
On the surface this appears to be a straight out dealer upfit program not a Ford Motor Company sponsored project. It would be interesting to know how Grand Prairie Ford was able to recertify the GVWR to 22,500 (or is it only the axles rated at 22,500 lbs. while the chassis is still rated at 19,500?) dual brake calipers, lighting, emissions certification for the H&S Engine Mgmt Tuner and noise standards for on-road use. The tires alone would most likely exceed FMVSS noise standards for new on-road vehicles. Adding a tuner will change the already difficult to meet diesel engine emissions standards. Typically when an upfitter adds weight during body upfits (think tow trucks, etc), 4x4 conversions (Monroe), etc….the new added weight takes away from the GVWR, not added too…even if the axles/brakes exceed what the manfacturered originally certified for the vehicle.
All of the above could be upfitted easily for off-road only vehicles, or a vehicle sold as “used” vehicle. On-road, new vehicles become very difficult to certify with this level of upfit to chassis systems. Either this truck has had millions in development with independent engineering firm like Roush Engineering services in Detroit which the cost of engineering and durability testing alone would far exceed what an independent dealership would typically invest for their own sponsored program. Or it is still certified as a stock 19,500 F550 on paper which could be an issue if something where to go badly where an accident or something catastrophic could be circled back to the upfit. Getting warranty could be a challenge as well.
If not a FoMoCo sponsored program, the new chassis warranty maybe a challenge to actually get warranty work done outside of the dealer that performed the upfit. Getting warranty work done in Grand Prairie would be no problem. Take this vehicle into a Ford store in Mooseballs, MT with a smoked up transmission, broken leaf spring hanger, etc and see what happens. GPF is a well-known reputable dealer in TX so one could rest assure things would get worked out in the end but don’t expect warranty work on a truck like this to go as smoothly as getting an A/C compressor warrantied on a Fusion. I live these types of truck issues every day for my job and manufacturers and OEM dealers get a bad rap for upfitter changes to the chassis systems.
This is a great severe duty upfit for off-road applications (meaning non-licenced off-road…mining, wells), military, municipality, fire & rescue where the vehicles are licensed differently and owner expectations are different than a retail type customer. If this truck is actually recertified for on-road (with the chassis changes) that is impressive and shows major dedication from the said dealer. Not trying to blow holes in GPF, just prospective owners of something like this need to know exactly what they are getting into for 100,000. A purchase like this is not like buying a stock F550.
All of the above could be upfitted easily for off-road only vehicles, or a vehicle sold as “used” vehicle. On-road, new vehicles become very difficult to certify with this level of upfit to chassis systems. Either this truck has had millions in development with independent engineering firm like Roush Engineering services in Detroit which the cost of engineering and durability testing alone would far exceed what an independent dealership would typically invest for their own sponsored program. Or it is still certified as a stock 19,500 F550 on paper which could be an issue if something where to go badly where an accident or something catastrophic could be circled back to the upfit. Getting warranty could be a challenge as well.
If not a FoMoCo sponsored program, the new chassis warranty maybe a challenge to actually get warranty work done outside of the dealer that performed the upfit. Getting warranty work done in Grand Prairie would be no problem. Take this vehicle into a Ford store in Mooseballs, MT with a smoked up transmission, broken leaf spring hanger, etc and see what happens. GPF is a well-known reputable dealer in TX so one could rest assure things would get worked out in the end but don’t expect warranty work on a truck like this to go as smoothly as getting an A/C compressor warrantied on a Fusion. I live these types of truck issues every day for my job and manufacturers and OEM dealers get a bad rap for upfitter changes to the chassis systems.
This is a great severe duty upfit for off-road applications (meaning non-licenced off-road…mining, wells), military, municipality, fire & rescue where the vehicles are licensed differently and owner expectations are different than a retail type customer. If this truck is actually recertified for on-road (with the chassis changes) that is impressive and shows major dedication from the said dealer. Not trying to blow holes in GPF, just prospective owners of something like this need to know exactly what they are getting into for 100,000. A purchase like this is not like buying a stock F550.