Gasoline VS Diesel Engine for World Land Cruising

bluestdeep

New member
Hello All

I'm about to purchase a GM2500 Camper, 4x4 Gasoline powered.
We spent a few months, years ago in Mexico with out Toyota 22R and had no real issues except the lower grade gasoline Pemex was selling as "93"...was probably about 82 or so.

I am aware of some the benefits of diesel engines (long life, fuel economy, etc).

If anyone with lengthy travel experience would like to give some advice, comments, it would be quite appreciated!

Thank you in advance
 

alanymarce

Well-known member
I'm not going to get into the environmental aspects - your decision.

Most of our travels have been in gasoline vehicles, although we've used diesel off and on in various parts of the world (Argentina, Europe, Algeria, Oman) and on our 10 month Africa trip used a diesel LC80. So, we have experience in North America, Central America, South America, Europe, Asia, Africa, and Australia.

A few things to consider:

- we've personally never been unable to obtain gasoline or diesel anywhere EXCEPT for Venezuela (only 1 in 50 stations had fuel, and the ones which did have lines of between a few hours and a few days) and Argentina (a few stations in Patagonia didn't have fuel at times). In both cases the shortage was both for diesel and gasoline, so no benefit having one versus the other.

- we've never heard of others being unable to obtain gasoline anywhere in the world - all over the world motorbikes are a fundamental means of transport and the market meets this need (formally or informally).

- we HAVE heard of others being unable to obtain diesel (in East Africa) - so although trucks (i.e, heavy transport vehicles, not pick-ups) usually operate on diesel it doesn't mean that you can always find it.

- gasoline quality can vary (Venezuelan gasoline is notoriously poor quality for example) however this has never given us a problem since the engines in the vehicles we've used in the last decade are smart enough to adjust for fuel octane.

- we prefer gasoline from the point of view that diesel is a lot less easy to clean up in terms of getting it on your hands, clothes, gloves, etc. We much prefer gasoline as a "clean" fuel.

- gasoline is flammable whereas diesel needs higher temperature then typical ambient to catch fire

- if travelling in very low temperatures diesel may present a challenge - typically in extreme latitudes the diesel sold is modified to handle low temperatures, however if you do end up with "solid fuel" you're in trouble.

- it used to be considered better to have a diesel engine for wading rivers (for example) however today's diesels are more complex in terms of electronics and can be affected, and gasoline engines today have better insulation. We've never had an engine stall when wading.

- diesel engines are typically stronger, however they are also more expensive. More to the point, if you treat any engine with care, and maintain it properly, it's not going to break - I have never yet had any engine, diesel or gasoline, fail. Yes, you can wear out valves or injectors, however a "broken engine"? No.

- I see a lot of threads posted by people wanting to disable DPFs or other emission control systems on diesels. This tells me a couple of things - one is that the diesels concerned present problems as built, and the other is that some people are willing to run their vehicles without complying with emission control regulations, which might result in fines in many countries (without getting into the ethics of the situation).

- if you plan to travel to some parts of the world running a diesel engine may impose significant restrictions - many diesel vehicles are already banned from entering Paris during the week for example, and restrictions are going to become more stringent. The solution is obviously to park outside the city and take a 'bus, however if you need to have maintenance done on the vehicle you will have a problem.

AS far as we're concerned we are not interested in a diesel vehicle, see no benefit in diesel versus gasoline, and believe that diesel vehicles are going to become progressively less acceptable over time.
 

Red90

Adventurer
For any serious overlanding diesel wins out. Range is better and this difference becomes much larger when you are driving a lot of off road. My truck runs an easy 1100 miles with on board fuel and range does not get a lot worse when much of that is in low range.
 

Peter_n_Margaret

Adventurer
Personally, in Oz I would never consider anything except diesel.
There are a few remote places where availability of diesel is better.
Diesel is a safer fuel, especially in high temperature circumstances.
A given volume or weight of diesel will take you further.
Diesel is also easily used for central heating, hot water and cooking (although there are better options for cooking).
Cheers,
Peter
OKA196 motorhome
 

bluestdeep

New member
I'm not going to get into the environmental aspects - your decision.

Most of our travels have been in gasoline vehicles, although we've used diesel off and on in various parts of the world (Argentina, Europe, Algeria, Oman) and on our 10 month Africa trip used a diesel LC80. So, we have experience in North America, Central America, South America, Europe, Asia, Africa, and Australia.

A few things to consider:

- we've personally never been unable to obtain gasoline or diesel anywhere EXCEPT for Venezuela (only 1 in 50 stations had fuel, and the ones which did have lines of between a few hours and a few days) and Argentina (a few stations in Patagonia didn't have fuel at times). In both cases the shortage was both for diesel and gasoline, so no benefit having one versus the other.

- we've never heard of others being unable to obtain gasoline anywhere in the world - all over the world motorbikes are a fundamental means of transport and the market meets this need (formally or informally).

- we HAVE heard of others being unable to obtain diesel (in East Africa) - so although trucks (i.e, heavy transport vehicles, not pick-ups) usually operate on diesel it doesn't mean that you can always find it.

- gasoline quality can vary (Venezuelan gasoline is notoriously poor quality for example) however this has never given us a problem since the engines in the vehicles we've used in the last decade are smart enough to adjust for fuel octane.

- we prefer gasoline from the point of view that diesel is a lot less easy to clean up in terms of getting it on your hands, clothes, gloves, etc. We much prefer gasoline as a "clean" fuel.

- gasoline is flammable whereas diesel needs higher temperature then typical ambient to catch fire

- if travelling in very low temperatures diesel may present a challenge - typically in extreme latitudes the diesel sold is modified to handle low temperatures, however if you do end up with "solid fuel" you're in trouble.

- it used to be considered better to have a diesel engine for wading rivers (for example) however today's diesels are more complex in terms of electronics and can be affected, and gasoline engines today have better insulation. We've never had an engine stall when wading.

- diesel engines are typically stronger, however they are also more expensive. More to the point, if you treat any engine with care, and maintain it properly, it's not going to break - I have never yet had any engine, diesel or gasoline, fail. Yes, you can wear out valves or injectors, however a "broken engine"? No.

- I see a lot of threads posted by people wanting to disable DPFs or other emission control systems on diesels. This tells me a couple of things - one is that the diesels concerned present problems as built, and the other is that some people are willing to run their vehicles without complying with emission control regulations, which might result in fines in many countries (without getting into the ethics of the situation).

- if you plan to travel to some parts of the world running a diesel engine may impose significant restrictions - many diesel vehicles are already banned from entering Paris during the week for example, and restrictions are going to become more stringent. The solution is obviously to park outside the city and take a 'bus, however if you need to have maintenance done on the vehicle you will have a problem.

AS far as we're concerned we are not interested in a diesel vehicle, see no benefit in diesel versus gasoline, and believe that diesel vehicles are going to become progressively less acceptable over time.
Terrific help, mucho appreciations to you. Happy safe travels!
 

bluestdeep

New member
Many thanks to all, especially allnymarces details . Great advice and good pros and cons.

On our world wandering sailboat, diesel was always available even in remote locations...same with gasoline though.
Diesel quality was questionable in many places and the sulfur ratio not great for todays modern engines (ours is an older volvo).
Also had to filter it carefully, especially if sat for a long time.
 

sg1

Adventurer
Modern diesel engines with emission control systems are problematic in some parts of the world if you spend a lot of time there:
1. They need DEF, sometimes difficult or impossible to get.
2. They need ultra low (less than 15 ppm) or at least low (less than 50 ppm) sulphur diesel. Otherwise the particulate filter gets blocked if you use high sulphur diesel for a longer time.
3. Most engine management systems can only optimize combustion up to an altitude of 3,000 to 3,500 m (about 10,000 ft.). Above this altitude a modern diesel does what old diesels do at altitude, it smokes and puts even more load on the particulate filter. Unfortunately high elevation countries (Peru, Bolivia, the -Stans) tend to be the areas where there is no low sulphur diesel. In South America I have seen quite a few camper with blocked filters.
If you can delete the emission control systems a diesel has the advantage of lower fuel consumption. I did my traveling in Africa and Latin America with an old diesel and didn´t have problems. With a new camper I would take gasoline if I plan trips in these areas.
 

Peter_n_Margaret

Adventurer
I did my traveling in Africa and Latin America with an old diesel and didn´t have problems.
Yep. Stick with the old pre emissions diesels. If you buy one you will have a pile of cash left over to make it 100% reliable.
Reliable yet easy to fix anywhere. Electronic vehicles are great until they stop and then it is "tow to the nearest capital city".
Mine has one wire that makes it go or stop and I know where it is. :) :)
Cheers,
Peter
OKA196 motorhome (26 year old diesel with almost 600,000km on the clock and rebuild kits are available and cheap)
 

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