Going domestic, project vanilla aka the family tankster, 2004 Suburban 2500

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Guess I am overdue for an update! Have been reducing my internet footprint lately so no forum time at all but I thought I would do an update of our trip. Since I don't put together trip reports anymore, figured I would do a little trip recap in this thread.

So, this past May we took the Burb on its first big trip outside of the region. It ended up being about 5,000 miles in total. Leading up to the trip we did a shock upgrade to the Bilstein 5100's and installed an onboard compressor to aid in adjusting tire pressures since we would be towing our camper along and using it to basecamp and explore off the beaten path. The ability to air down a bit in conjunction with the shocks transformed the ride quality completely and made time in the dirt much more enjoyable.

We departed late April and our original route was going to be southern across Kansas and southern Colorado over to Hurricane, Utah. There was an outbreak of severe weather for most of a week covering almost all of the midwest and mountains of the west however. We followed the weather reports right up till the day we departed and decided to take a northern route instead since severe Thunderstorms and tornados were forecast for prettty much everywhere south of South Dakota. With the intention of burning some miles and getting west as fast as possible, we took to the road and crossed Wisconsin, Minnesota, and into South Dakota. We ended up taking a very indirect route north of the Black Hills, then diving south as we crossed into Wyoming to hit Rawlins. We were threading the needle between snow storms here hoping to avoid towing a camper on snow covered roads. We succeeded for the most part, about 15 miles from Rawlins we hit heavy snow and snow covered roads but they didn't seem to present a problem to us. We rolled into Rawlins and spent the night in the Wallmart parking lot, along with a bunch of other trucks and campers seeking refuge.



Since we are pretty new to towing a camper and this was our first trip out of the midwest with it, I was a bit worried about how much of a pain it would be. It ended up being amazing. Especially having to little children..... Whenever we were hungry or the kids needed a break from their car seats, we would just pull off, vitually anywhere and hop in the camper, fire up the furnace (it was cold for most of the drive out), then cook up a meal, relax a it, maybe take a shower before continuing on. I can't state how great this was. Made the drive super comfortable and we didn't have to eat crappy food along the way. The Burb rocked the towing. We had huge winds including crosswinds and headwinds. Even with semi's along the freeway stretches we did, the truck and camper were very stable and virtually no sway whatsover. I figured the semi's would blow us all over the road as we passed them but it wasn't the case at all. The towing prowess of this platform is totally justified. So yeah, we were camped out at a Wallmart parking lot, this was a first for us too. Sounds awful.... but it was AMAZING. Snow was whipping around outside, yet we were inside, blinds drawn, heater keeping us comfy, listening to good music, eating good food. Camper= cozy home wherever you are parked, awesome.


Our first stop was at a friend's place in Park City. We spent a couple of days relaxing and catching up before pushing on to Hurricane.


They had a great view of Mt Timpanogos when the clouds lifted. This was the first good weather we had the entire drive so far.


Perhaps a bit of a Mormon stereotype but we spotted this 6 door Burb driving through Provo, crazy.


We hit Hurricane and set up at the KOA for a couple of days in order to have hookups in case we needed AC with the forecasted 90 degree weather. We took turns mountain biking and doing some day trip explorations. This is looking across to Gooseberry Mesa while scouting out some potential good places for our dispersed camping with the camper.


Most of our adventures with the burb were dirt roads but this was a steep rocky trail we took to catch the sunset one evening. The truck did great, plenty of traction and no issues other than it took some care on a couple of tight, steep switchbacks. The turning radius in 4lo is pretty wide, but is to be expected with 130" of wheelbase.


view from the top




Driving up to the top of Zion on a hot day. 95 in the valley but 50's up at 7,000 feet.

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We decided to setup basecamp on Hurricane Rim, and found a good spot just off of one of the mtb trails. This makes it easy for use to take turns watching kids while the other rides from camp. That's Gooseberry Mesa in the background.


With 2 150 watt panels, our house batteries never got below full.


Awesome light in the mornings and evenings. The weather was so unsettled over most of the western US during this period, we ended up getting pretty good rains at times even in this typically dry area.


Evening rides.....


Happy Momma, happy boys


This is why the Suburban is the ultimate adventure mobile for a family.


The point on Gooseberry Mesa
 

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All the rain meant some pretty weather worn tracks, some still with quite a bit of mud and standing water.




The back of the truck was always a favorite place to play, or maybe have some impromptu dancing.


Washboards for miles... No issues though with the camper other than the admittedly steep price of replacing all four trailer tires after discovering tread separation on 3 of the 4 tires. Learned just how cheap the tires that come on most trailers are....ugh... that happened between Salt Lake and Hurricane on the way down. With new tires I had quite a bit more confidence in the tires, plus we went up a size to aid in the tire rotational speed.

We had a bunch of places we were potentially going to visit and ride on this trip but were planning to play it by ear along the way. We ended up spending most of two weeks just enjoying the Hurricane/Zion area vs moving around more. This was low key, relaxing and enjoyable for the whole fam.


We landed in Valley of the Gods next and spent a few days here.


We ran into Matt Scott in Mexican Hat at the gas station randomly, so we ended up camping together that night. Got to share some beers around a campfire and shoot the proverbial excrement.


gravel grinding.... the scenery doesn't get much better

 

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A bit of a visual on how much gear fits behind the second row seats of a Suburban. Two fat bikes, a double Chariot, a strider, a box of recovery gear and tools, as well as some other gear.


Moki Dugway


Burb glam shot


Arroyo crossing


Camping at the base of Blanco Peak, Sangre de Christos, Colorado.

We ended up hitting up Wilson Lake State Park in Kansas on our way home, which is an IMBA epic ride. Basically a network of singletrack that wraps around the state park on the south side of Wilson Lake. Cool stuff.

We had a great trip, everything we wanted, even if we did end up cutting out Moab and Fruita as spots we wanted to hit along the trip. In the end we figured we enjoyed ourselves more just hanging out in one area longer and not dealing with moving around so much. Is this overlanding? Probably not, but it is a cool way to travel. Self contained home on wheels to base camp with and we were able to set it up in some remote areas with zero issues whatsoever. I dig it. Especially with little kids and the importance of getting those kids to get the amount of sleep they need. That alone probably made the trip the most enjoyable possible. Tired, sleepless kids make for exhausted, crabby parents... if you have kids, you know the truth of this.... if you don't have kids, you won't relate, no matter how hard core and minimalist you consider yourself.
 
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After a 5,000 mile trip with a family of four, a dog, a camper, and a bunch of gear, how did the Suburban do? Awesome. Exceeded my expectations mostly. I think it all came together near Mesa Verde National Park near the 4 Corners. We were climbing a steep grade and breezed by a Defender 130 camper with Swiss tags. It would be considered one of the ultimate overland rigs by pretty much any jaded overland enthusiast. Exotic, diesel, camper conversion..... They struggled to maintain 45mph up the grade, windows down, both occupants looked pretty hot and weathered inside. We rolled by at 65, front and AC playing, listening to music with no wind or road noise...... towing a big camper behind us. Yeah, the Defender looks sexy, I am a sucker for it myself, but in the real world where would I rather be with my family?? No question, not in that. It might have a slight edge offroad, but with a camper in an identical wheelbase, its pretty much null. Now I am going to be provacative... For North America, if you want to cover miles, see remote areas on bad roads, and carry alot of gear, or people... or both, the Suburban is the best platform... period.

I might get flamed, but flame on. The only thing it really lacks is the overland cool sex appeal of a hipster filtered, sepia toned image of a Defender with an arm in frame, sporting a Rolex, while loading a Belgian Browning.... :ylsmoke: But if you can overcome your ego and let go of image for a minute, its brilliant, in fact its more of the thing that those status symbols try to be. Blue collar, honest, classless, used by heads of state, used by the working man, ubiquitous. All the things that a Defender or an expensive to import 70 series Land Cruiser are not in North America, even if adults are playing dress up trying to portray this image. If you are focusing on getting more followers on your social media feed, the Cruiser or Defender is hard to compete with though. #overlandhipstergram with #randominspirationalquote Ok, I might be a bit harsh but holy hell the current image of car camping is getting way to serious, and elitist. Maybe its just a southern Cal city thing... Anyway, I digress...

So yeah, we had zero issues with the truck. It performed great. To recap, mine is a 6.0 with 4.10's and 285's. Our camper is tall and fairly wide so the headwinds made it work hard on the freeway. The fact that it still would cruise into a stiff headwind towing the trailer at speeds my 80 series would only dream of kept me from wishing I had waited to find an 8.1. Really the only time I felt underpowered was climbing passes in CO at altitude with the camper in tow. Big surprise right? So if I lived in UT or CO, yeah, I would definitely want the 8.1 for doing what we are doing. But since that isn't our main gig I can live with it. Fuel economy was 9-10 towing, not great but not that bad considering. We still had good range with the fuel capacity, which also lets me feel comfortable not springing spare fuel for the off pavement adventures since the range is pretty good. Tranny temps never got anywhere I was worried about either. I think for sure we would have been running hot with a 1500 Burb on the big grades with our setup. So yeah, really happy with our choice of rig.

Pet Peeves?
The drive by wire that our 2004 has. Its terrible, especially when you are trying to crawl slowly in technical terrain. The modulation is very difficult, making surges and jerkiness hard to avoid. I never felt that with any of the 1500 Silverados or Burbs I have driven so I am going to assume the pre drive by wire 2500's don't have this issue.

Aftermarket options for this type of travel are weak. Would love a rear bumper with a swingout that I didn't have to custom build. Might just get one of those hitch mounted swingouts for it still versus doing a full bumper.

Breakover angle is not great. If you were going to be doing anything more than rough roads and moderate trails I could see why 5" of lift and at least a 35" would be necessary. Part of the issue outside of wheelbase is the crossmember that hangs down and makes clearance worse. It is obvious these things were designed more for heavy towing vs offroading. Thankfully Cogito seems to have an awesome suspension system that seems to check all the right boxes for this application.

Thats really my only gripes. Been loving the truck. It flies under the radar, doesn't draw attention, or hey look at me. I am confident in the drivetrain durability/reliability and love the security of knowing when on the road, that any auto parts store in any town, no matter how obscure... will have any part I ever need, cheap.

We haven't done a ton with the truck this summer as we have been doing our off dirt adventures in the Land Cruiser and a tent more so, but are in the planning stages of some fun fall and spring adventures for which we will be taking the Suburban. Its a no brainer really, any trip of length we would much rather be in the Suburban vs the 80 series.

So that's the update for now. Will probably do a better job of updates and upgrades again once we get into the fall and winter as the cold weather keeps us in more. For now its paddling, beaches, biking, and general shenanigans outside. :)
 

ExplorerTom

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Looks like a fantastic trip.

The only thing it really lacks is the overland cool sex appeal of a hipster filtered, sepia toned image of a Defender with an arm in frame, sporting a Rolex, while loading a Belgian Browning.... :ylsmoke: But if you can overcome your ego and let go of image for a minute, its brilliant, in fact its more of the thing that those status symbols try to be.

Almost anywhere you look on this forum you'll see people who have to have the "right" gear, the latest overpriced overlanding gadget....... It's a little silly.
 

02TahoeMD

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..... They struggled to maintain 45mph up the grade, windows down, both occupants looked pretty hot and weathered inside. We rolled by at 65, front and AC playing, listening to music with no wind or road noise...... towing a big camper behind us. :)

Yeah, but did you guys look cool while passing by the Defender? :coffeedrink: Great report. I have heard people gripe about the "drive by wire" systems on the 2003 - 2006 Chevy trucks. I wonder if there is a conversion system? I have a good old fashioned cable connected to the skinny pedal on my rig. Wouldn't want it any other way. It is always nice to see our trucks being used to go exploring. Bravo.
 

rayra

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Great write-up and points. Pictures, too, especially your composition. (I think you left out the picture intended to show all the stuff packed in the cargo area)

We started with a '99 K1500 Tahoe Z-71. So nice we've bought it thrice. They really are excellent vehicles for family road trips and outdoor adventures. Comfortable cruisers with tons of room and good ability.

have to agree on the throttle by wire. Every time I get in the missus' '05, it's a jerky ride for a bit as I get my foot recalibrated. Don't know if it's lag or a different sensitivity range or how the human interacts with it (probably this, because later in any trip it doesn't seem to be a problem), but it seems if you try very little throttle you get nothing. And then somewhere after that it either catches up or you go too far trying to get a throttle response and you end up with a surge when you wanted to be easing forward. Maybe someone savvy can re-program something. And I don't even begin to imagine it can be retrofitted with the 2000-2002 throttle body and the direct cable gas pedal.
 

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Looks like a fantastic trip.



Almost anywhere you look on this forum you'll see people who have to have the "right" gear, the latest overpriced overlanding gadget....... It's a little silly.

I can't help but to think it turns a lot of folks off/away from this hobby. Snobby materialism rears its ugly head in what you could consider the pursuit of the outdoors and getting away from those exact types of things and attitudes.
 

upcruiser

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Yeah, but did you guys look cool while passing by the Defender? :coffeedrink: Great report. I have heard people gripe about the "drive by wire" systems on the 2003 - 2006 Chevy trucks. I wonder if there is a conversion system? I have a good old fashioned cable connected to the skinny pedal on my rig. Wouldn't want it any other way. It is always nice to see our trucks being used to go exploring. Bravo.

Yeah, the concept of drive by wire seems needlessly complicated for an overland rig.
 

upcruiser

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Great write-up and points. Pictures, too, especially your composition. (I think you left out the picture intended to show all the stuff packed in the cargo area)

We started with a '99 K1500 Tahoe Z-71. So nice we've bought it thrice. They really are excellent vehicles for family road trips and outdoor adventures. Comfortable cruisers with tons of room and good ability.

have to agree on the throttle by wire. Every time I get in the missus' '05, it's a jerky ride for a bit as I get my foot recalibrated. Don't know if it's lag or a different sensitivity range or how the human interacts with it (probably this, because later in any trip it doesn't seem to be a problem), but it seems if you try very little throttle you get nothing. And then somewhere after that it either catches up or you go too far trying to get a throttle response and you end up with a surge when you wanted to be easing forward. Maybe someone savvy can re-program something. And I don't even begin to imagine it can be retrofitted with the 2000-2002 throttle body and the direct cable gas pedal.

Thanks for pointing out the missing pic, I fixed it. Glad I am not the only one who finds that throttle frustrating. I think you are right, it has some delay but also goes from nothing to too much throttle input when you are just trying to ease into the throttle. It's even annoying just when you want to back up to your trailer to hookup.
 

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Love the pics! Great shots! I need to bring mine out that way soon.

Thanks and yeah it's s great area. Moab draws the big crowds and leaves a lot of the other wonderful areas of southern UT devoid of people. Ironically, camping on the Hurricane Rim we were basically near the entrance to Zion NP which is one of, if not THE busiest NP yet the surrounding mesas and valleys really don't see many people. Even with the fantastic mountain biking. I hope it stays that way for awhile.
 

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