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Guinness44
Adventurer
rb, well said, everyone blaims Hummer for their missery. To the point that the Sierra club sponsors hatewebpage (hummerdinger).
The I-5: Driven the I-5 over the testtrack at the dealer. Its got good lowendtorque esp. with that 4:1 TCase. Drove the demo over the transmountainpass, it will move, but you got to put the foot into skinny pedal. Havent testdrove the V8 yet. If in doubt, testdrive them both.
The I-5: Driven the I-5 over the testtrack at the dealer. Its got good lowendtorque esp. with that 4:1 TCase. Drove the demo over the transmountainpass, it will move, but you got to put the foot into skinny pedal. Havent testdrove the V8 yet. If in doubt, testdrive them both.
Here's a photo from Truck Trend's report about Easter Week in Moab
This H3 is a GM engineering project that uses a spring-over-axle conversion
on the rear to add 4 inches of room for taller tires.
Read the Truck Trend report here
http://www.trucktrend.com/features/travel/163_0808_hard_core_heaven_moab/index.html
This H3 is a GM engineering project that uses a spring-over-axle conversion
on the rear to add 4 inches of room for taller tires.
Read the Truck Trend report here
http://www.trucktrend.com/features/travel/163_0808_hard_core_heaven_moab/index.html
calamaridog
Expedition Leader
pskhaat said:
It's generally accepted the I5 is underpowered for the H3 but fine for the lighter Colorado. There is currently a new more powerful I5 in the works as well as the Alpha models (5.3 v8) to address the power issue.
Pskhaat
2005 Expedition Trophy Champion
calamaridog said:
I just say that half-trolling because the GM Atlas engines especially the L52 (and LK5 & LLV) was very off-highway cool due to it's over-stroke design and low torque peak.
This was introduced in 2007 though right? Pushed the displacement a touch, a little more bore and a much higher torque peak, right?
Hummer has announced the MSRP for the H3T: $31,500. That buys the crew cab 4x4 with 3.7L 5 cylinder engine (239 hp and 241 ft-lbs), 5 speed transmission and locking rear differential.
The Chevy Colorado pickup is available in similar trim (substitute automatic for the 5 speed, and 15 inch rims instead of 16 inch on the Hummer). The price is about $28,000, and there's a $2500 rebate available.
No price was announced for the H3T's "Adventure" off-road package, which adds a front locking diff, 4:1 transfer case, off-road shocks, 33" tires (10 inches of ground clearance) and more skid plates.
Also missing from the pricing announcement is the optional 5.3L V8, available only with the automatic trans.
The standard H3T or Colorado 4x4 makes a good platform for the Four Wheel Campers "Finch" model:
The Finch is 10 inches longer than the H3T's 60 inch bed. The 700 lb weight of the Finch gives you 400 more lbs for stuff before you reach the 1150 lb GVWR of the truck. That's a bit marginal, but workable.
The V8 would be the ticket if you often use the vehicle to carry a load at highway speeds. I think the 5 cylinder is enough for back roads, and off-road use. And the manual trans is not available with the V8.
So, figuring $31,500 for the H3T and $11,000 for the Finch camper, and maybe $2,000 more for the off-road package, you could be heading to Mexico for $44,500.
Chip Haven
The Chevy Colorado pickup is available in similar trim (substitute automatic for the 5 speed, and 15 inch rims instead of 16 inch on the Hummer). The price is about $28,000, and there's a $2500 rebate available.
No price was announced for the H3T's "Adventure" off-road package, which adds a front locking diff, 4:1 transfer case, off-road shocks, 33" tires (10 inches of ground clearance) and more skid plates.
Also missing from the pricing announcement is the optional 5.3L V8, available only with the automatic trans.
The standard H3T or Colorado 4x4 makes a good platform for the Four Wheel Campers "Finch" model:
The Finch is 10 inches longer than the H3T's 60 inch bed. The 700 lb weight of the Finch gives you 400 more lbs for stuff before you reach the 1150 lb GVWR of the truck. That's a bit marginal, but workable.
The V8 would be the ticket if you often use the vehicle to carry a load at highway speeds. I think the 5 cylinder is enough for back roads, and off-road use. And the manual trans is not available with the V8.
So, figuring $31,500 for the H3T and $11,000 for the Finch camper, and maybe $2,000 more for the off-road package, you could be heading to Mexico for $44,500.
Chip Haven
OK, here's the pricing for the "Adventure" off-road package, as reported by PickupTrucks.com
"An additional $1,725 will add Hummer's Adventure package to the H3T, which includes: a low 4.03:1 transfer case for improved rock crawling capability, 36-inch tires, upgraded shocks and electronic locking front and rear differentials to climb over the slickest surfaces."
" the 5.3-liter V-8 powered Hummer pickup will start at $36,760 with standard cloth seats and a four-speed automatic transmission. "
So the pricing works out like this:
Base H3T 4x4.....$31,500
Adventure package.....$1,725
5.3L V8 and 4 speed auto trans.....$5,250 (ouch!)
Total for a base V8 with Adventure package.....$38,500
This is a bit of a good deal. The H3 Alpha, with the same V8 engine and trans, has a MSRP around $39,000, and the off-road package adds another $1400. So you pay $2000 less for the H3T, with its larger back seat and the pickup bed.
The Dodge Ram 2500 Power Wagon 4x4 crew cab is a competitor. With 5.7L V8 and 5 speed auto trans, the Power Wagon costs about $41,750. The Power Wagon is a larger truck, with a 6 foot long bed and 2000 lb cargo capacity.
GM announced some drastic restructuring today. It's more likely now that GM will sell the Hummer brand if a buyer can be found. If this happens, I expect the Chevy Colorado pickup will become available with the off-road equipment offered on the H3T. The two trucks are built in the same plant in Louisiana.
Chip Haven
"An additional $1,725 will add Hummer's Adventure package to the H3T, which includes: a low 4.03:1 transfer case for improved rock crawling capability, 36-inch tires, upgraded shocks and electronic locking front and rear differentials to climb over the slickest surfaces."
" the 5.3-liter V-8 powered Hummer pickup will start at $36,760 with standard cloth seats and a four-speed automatic transmission. "
So the pricing works out like this:
Base H3T 4x4.....$31,500
Adventure package.....$1,725
5.3L V8 and 4 speed auto trans.....$5,250 (ouch!)
Total for a base V8 with Adventure package.....$38,500
This is a bit of a good deal. The H3 Alpha, with the same V8 engine and trans, has a MSRP around $39,000, and the off-road package adds another $1400. So you pay $2000 less for the H3T, with its larger back seat and the pickup bed.
The Dodge Ram 2500 Power Wagon 4x4 crew cab is a competitor. With 5.7L V8 and 5 speed auto trans, the Power Wagon costs about $41,750. The Power Wagon is a larger truck, with a 6 foot long bed and 2000 lb cargo capacity.
GM announced some drastic restructuring today. It's more likely now that GM will sell the Hummer brand if a buyer can be found. If this happens, I expect the Chevy Colorado pickup will become available with the off-road equipment offered on the H3T. The two trucks are built in the same plant in Louisiana.
Chip Haven
durango_60
Explorer
haven said:
36" Tires? Really?
durango_60 said:
x2. Adventure goes to 285/75s or 33" tires...you can fit 35s w/some light rubbing, but I think it's likely a tpyo on the tire size...
Otherwise I totally agree this is a good deal...Assuming you pay full sticker and ignore the v8, you'll be in around 35-6k, not a bad price considering what you get. That's about what I paid for my H3 a few years ago, and wouldn't have hesitated getting the H3t had it been available at the time.
Autoblog got to drive the H3t offroad recently, and wrote about it here
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/08/08/first-drive-hummer-h3t/
The article includes a couple of points I found interesting. First, although Hummer sales are down sharply this year in USA, the sales are up about the same percent in overseas markets. (That's on a percentage basis, not a unit basis. GM is losing lots of money on Hummer. But this explains why companies in India and China might want to buy the Hummer brand.)
Second, the 2009 EPA combined rating for the H3t with 5 cylinder and 4x4 is 16 mpg. That's the same as the Wrangler Rubicon with V6, and just one mpg worse than the Grand Cherokee or Toyota 4Runner with V6. Not good compared to a Prius, but you can't drive a Prius over the Rubicon Trail, either.
The H3t with V8 is rated at 14 mpg combined. That's the same as other 4x4 SUVs with V8 like the Grand Cherokee, 4Runner and so on. So maybe Hummer is no better, but no worse, than similarly equipped vehicles.
A diesel would be perfect for the H3t. GM is planning to introduce a V6 turbodiesel, developed with VM Motori, as an option for Cadillac CTS models. According to reports, the V6 makes 400 ft-lb of torque as low as 2000 rpm. That's more torque than the 5.3L V8 gas engine makes in the H3t. It happens to be more torque than GM's gas 6.0L produces, as well.
If that's not enough power for you, GM has a 4.5L V8 diesel on the way for the Silverado and Tahoe. This engine makes 500 ft-lb of torque.
Chip Haven
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/08/08/first-drive-hummer-h3t/
The article includes a couple of points I found interesting. First, although Hummer sales are down sharply this year in USA, the sales are up about the same percent in overseas markets. (That's on a percentage basis, not a unit basis. GM is losing lots of money on Hummer. But this explains why companies in India and China might want to buy the Hummer brand.)
Second, the 2009 EPA combined rating for the H3t with 5 cylinder and 4x4 is 16 mpg. That's the same as the Wrangler Rubicon with V6, and just one mpg worse than the Grand Cherokee or Toyota 4Runner with V6. Not good compared to a Prius, but you can't drive a Prius over the Rubicon Trail, either.
The H3t with V8 is rated at 14 mpg combined. That's the same as other 4x4 SUVs with V8 like the Grand Cherokee, 4Runner and so on. So maybe Hummer is no better, but no worse, than similarly equipped vehicles.
A diesel would be perfect for the H3t. GM is planning to introduce a V6 turbodiesel, developed with VM Motori, as an option for Cadillac CTS models. According to reports, the V6 makes 400 ft-lb of torque as low as 2000 rpm. That's more torque than the 5.3L V8 gas engine makes in the H3t. It happens to be more torque than GM's gas 6.0L produces, as well.
If that's not enough power for you, GM has a 4.5L V8 diesel on the way for the Silverado and Tahoe. This engine makes 500 ft-lb of torque.
Chip Haven
haven said:
Funny thing is it's always been that way...even the H2 at 11-14 mpg isn't much different than a Dodge Power Wagon, and my H3, when not loaded w/roof rack, gear, etc., actually gets better mileage than my wife's JK. Even here on this board, we're gonna get haters no matter what, it's part of the reason I have an H3
and my hope is prices stay depressed when the H3t comes out so I can get one cheap!
4Rescue
Expedition Leader
What really erks me about the H label is it's a really sad way to sell a truck that GM already makes for more money with terrible re-body's...evldave said:
Make it a Colorado and give it the same underpinnings (IE the Lockers and T-Case mods). All the proposed Mods for the H3T are respectable, but frankly the type of people that H markets to hardly need anything like this. Give the stuff to the average Joe who would actualy buy and use a Colorado like that. The Colorado looks better (to me anyway) and it's not like GM has alot of money to throw around making new trucks eh
Cheers
Dave
Guinness44
Adventurer
[QUOTE
Make it a Colorado and give it the same underpinnings (IE the Lockers and T-Case mods). All the proposed Mods for the H3T are respectable, but frankly the type of people that H markets to hardly need anything like this. Give the stuff to the average Joe who would actualy buy and use a Colorado like that. [/QUOTE]
If Hummer people would want a Colorada, thats what they would have gotten.
Make it a Colorado and give it the same underpinnings (IE the Lockers and T-Case mods). All the proposed Mods for the H3T are respectable, but frankly the type of people that H markets to hardly need anything like this. Give the stuff to the average Joe who would actualy buy and use a Colorado like that. [/QUOTE]
If Hummer people would want a Colorada, thats what they would have gotten.
4Rescue
Expedition Leader
Do you REALLY think it was that simple??? I don'tGuinness44 said:
Hummer is to me just a reason to charge more for something... plain and simple, these are "Hummers" not HMMV's which they are trying to assosciate with. Personaly,even though I'm not really a H1 fan either (I caon't tell you how many ************ H1 owners I've seen cut down trees here in the NW to get these onsters in and out of tight spots...) I think the Model range should be H1 Alpha, H -500 (instead of H2) and H -250 (for H3) there should be no similarity implied in the naming or advertising because one is a purpose built military 4x4 and the other two are well, we know what I think of them.
Cheers
Dave
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