Ham newbie with mobile radio question

nat

Adventurer
I am on the verge of taking my technician's exam and am looking to get a mobile radio for my Taco. I was looking at teh Yaesu FT-7900R and was also looking at the Yaesu FT-8800R. They have a rebate on it which makes it more affordable.

Should I go with the 8800? Cross repeat capability seems cool, anything else I should be aware of.

Thanks.
 

robgendreau

Explorer
I have a FT-8800 and like it. Haven't had occasion to use the cross-band repeat function. If more of my friends followed my excellent advice and got their licenses maybe it would come into use...aargh.

But it's also true that Yaesu has a $100 rebate (!) on the FT-8800 now, which brings it down to about $350, as you've seen. Great deal; dunno if that's the Chinese competition forcing the price down or if they're gonna discontinue it, but it's certainly less than I had to pay. Budget for a good antenna; that makes a big difference. Lots of choices there.

Yaesu is also coming out here soon with the FTM-400DR, which I guess supercedes the 350. It's a digital radio, and has APRS and other digital capabilities without the need for add-ons. It can even transmit pictures via USB! I dunno much about it, but APRS can be a very handy feature. I think that the Japanese companies are gonna distinguish themselves by going this route and adding on digital features that Wouxun and the like can't match. But these radios, like the digitally enhanced HTs, are really pricey.

Rob
 

Mash5

Adventurer
I have the FT-7900. It is a great radio for sure as is the 8800. Frankly I got the 79 because it was the least expensive remote face rig I could find. For the most part any radio is better than none. They all work well and the rest is personal preference and price point.
A few other factors to consider... The 7900 only has one receiver so it can't monitor one station while scanning on the other side. I find this the most compelling reason to go with the 8800. Xbanding... Meh.. It would be cool but its not a game changer. One weakness of the 8800 when compared to the 7900 is that the 8800 does not have illuminated buttons and the buttons are kind of hard little things that some find challenging. Anyway that is my two bits. They are both great rigs. You should spend more time thinking about your antenna set up. That is what will make it all work.
 

pugslyyy

Expedition Vehicle Engineer Guy
I am on the verge of taking my technician's exam and am looking to get a mobile radio for my Taco. I was looking at teh Yaesu FT-7900R and was also looking at the Yaesu FT-8800R. They have a rebate on it which makes it more affordable.

Should I go with the 8800? Cross repeat capability seems cool, anything else I should be aware of.

Thanks.

I just picked up a 7900R from HRO, along with the external speaker and the programming cable.
 
The cross band repeat on the 8880 doesnt provide all the legal requirements to work as a cross band repeater.


What exactly are You talking about? As long as you're X banding and sending out your call sign every ten minutes what else is required? It doesn't really help a new HAM leaving him with more questions than answers.
 

DaveInDenver

Middle Income Semi-Redneck
What exactly are You talking about? As long as you're X banding and sending out your call sign every ten minutes what else is required? It doesn't really help a new HAM leaving him with more questions than answers.
These cross band repeater radios that do only full duplex are not legal because the radio cannot identify the return link. You can use cross band as a range extender to repeat your HT transmission, which you would have to identify like you say. But you cannot let the radio re-transmit the repeater signal back.

In fact most repeater owners specifically ask you not to cross band repeat on them because you create a loop that locks out other stations until the repeater carrier fully drops.

The reason Yaesu's implementation is not legal is there is no way to prevent the radio from doing the return path. Kenwood's implementation does allow you to set a half duplex configuration, which is fine.

Now, that said, you can work around that by setting an odd offset with a tone to prevent the FT-8800 from opening with the repeater's transmission, but it's a kludge.

Here's a diagram that show the correct and incorrect paths to a repeater using a cross band repeating mobile.

http://www.aen-mar.org/Files/XBand - XMIT Boost0001.PDF
 
I see what your saying now. I made sure to get one with Xband rpt just in case of needing a mobile repeater for better HT comms in a group. It works well for that. Thanks for the clarification Dave, 73
 

DaveInDenver

Middle Income Semi-Redneck
Yeah, it's important to note that cross band repeat sure does seem like a handy feature for our use and it is for the case you mention, as a range extender or hasty local repeater. Just that it doesn't quite meet legal and courteous practices without some forethought. I can see the logic & agree that it's better to have and not need than to need and not have.
 

SARguru

Observer
My thoughts are 100% with Mashurst.

I was looking between the 7800/8800/8900. I went with the 7800 one big bonus was the illuminated buttons. I also owned the ft8100 which is the 1st gen of this line and had tons of issues with the control panel and with picking up signals from the second band onto first band even when the radio was on a V/U. So I was still skeptical, i am sure that these issues have been fixed since my 8100 was from the mid 90's but bad experience couldnt chance it.

To solved the issue of lack of dual monitoring i went with 2 7800s. Cost a bit more but i have two stand alone radios each with its own antenna. I picked up off ebay/china a plug in crossband link. Simply unplug my mic and plug in the crossbander to each radio. I havent even tried it yet, i wanted to plug itninto the data jack in the remote mounted main unit and its been on the to-do list for 2 years. advantage is that this box turns on from DTMF code, combined with autorange transponde feature, the idea is that i know when my handheld is talking to my mobile, if the handheld cant hit a repeater i could turn on the crossband box and now be able to get signal into the repeater.

Nic
VE3RSQ
Ottawa ON Cda
 

Crom

Expo this, expo that, exp
nat,

I received my license in April. I too was very much set on Yaesu for my mobile radio. But then I fully explored Kenwood's offerings. At the end of my research I thought the Kenwood edged out the Yaesu. One of my requirements was (legal) cross band repeat, and I did not want or need APRS. So after process of elimination I bought a Kenwood TM-V71A. It has 50W on both VHF/UHF, cross-band when I need it, and it's easy to use. I installed it about a week and a half ago and I am thoroughly amazed. I recommend it.

I don't own a Yaesu, but I've read reports (about the 8900) of how easy it was to accidentally enable the WIRES feature which others found annoying. As far as I know, the feature can't be disabled through a menu on that radio. There is a work around here though, but it's a kludge. Don't know if it applies to the other model Yaesu's....
 
Once you figure on the how the WIRES feature is activated its no longer an annoyance. Just make sure it's off for regular comms. When I first got mine I didn't realize it was on and would have to count 3sec before talking, but I had a good Elmer talk me through it and have had no more problems.
 

nat

Adventurer
No clear resolution to my quandry.....lol

So the 8800 has features that would be very useful but the 7900 has a better interface.

I will take a look at Kenwood too.
 

DaveInDenver

Middle Income Semi-Redneck
Do you need to simultaneously monitor two bands at once? If so then you need the FT-8800/8900. If you don't plan to actively use two frequencies at the same time but do want a removable faceplate then the FT-7900 is your choice. If you don't need UHF or a removable faceplate then the FT-1900 or FT-2900 are fine choices.

The FT-7900 is about as good a dual band radio as exists, you can't go wrong with it. I think the controls are better than than FT-8800, the knobs are a little bigger, the buttons are backlit, the display is larger & clearer.

I had a FT-7800 that I sold to upgrade to the FT-8800 to have dual monitor. I can be using one side to chat while continuously listening on another. Typically that means one side is a repeater and the other a simplex. The knobs can be fiddly and are not backlit, which can be a PITA. Also the lower left and lower right volume/power/squelch knobs can get broken easily. I've replaced one in mine due to dog-inside-a-small-cab-stepping-on-everything syndrome.

Kenwood makes good stuff, if you need to use cross band repeat a lot they may be a better choice. The last few posts were about that. Most hams use the feature rarely so it's really more hypothetical discussion. I like having the option in a pinch but it's a low priority selling point to me since I don't use it regularly. YMMV.

Some people prefer or dislike a brand for various reasons. I've had one Kenwood in my life and the LCD screen went bad, a TM-241. My understanding is that the TM-D710 can suffer from LCD failures at a slightly higher than typical rate, too. It's generally very rare, though, so I wouldn't be worried. The Yaesu radios (with the exception of the FTM-350 and the FT-8800/8900 knob thing I mentioned) are generally very rugged.

If cross band repeating is not important, shopping between the major brands comes down to which interface you like best, which brand & model have a solid reputation, cost.
 
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robgendreau

Explorer
I knew there was a reason I never used crossband :) Seriously, thanks for the info. Since I never used it I never had to confront those issues.

In fact, the dual receive takes away a bit of the need for crossband repeating. I have used the 8800 was sort of a crossband: you are the base and folks call you and you relay the message. So you can work simplex on one side while you have the sole connection to a distant repeat because you have more power than the others HTs and you (I hope) have a better antenna was well. I suspect that in practice with a group the human repeater is more commonly used than an ad hoc crossband.

Another consideration is programmability; I dunno if there's much of a difference there Yaesu vs Kenwood but there might be.
 

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