Ham operation ethics

matt s

Explorer
pretty good read. I do disagree with the repeated statements that all ham radio traffic should only be about ham radio.

Frankly it's a tool for communication. It should be used to communicate. Practiced enough so that in the event it becomes your only communication (disaster etc) you are ready and comfortable with it.

Somehow I don't think I will be limiting my discussion to dipoles or repeater battery life on my next trail run.
 

DarioCarrera

Adventurer
pretty good read. I do disagree with the repeated statements that all ham radio traffic should only be about ham radio.

Frankly it's a tool for communication. It should be used to communicate. Practiced enough so that in the event it becomes your only communication (disaster etc) you are ready and comfortable with it.

Somehow I don't think I will be limiting my discussion to dipoles or repeater battery life on my next trail run.


I agree with you on that point. In my HAM comunications I dont just talk HAM, although a a few people do want to know about my mobile setup... There are may great things you can talk about with someone on the Radio...
 

dzzz

pretty good read. I do disagree with the repeated statements that all ham radio traffic should only be about ham radio.

It's interesting how otherwise intelligent people can be so blind as to seriously suggest such an ethical "rule". The tone of the document suggests ownership of a public asset. I'm not sure how they got to the point of assigning themselves that right.

It's a good thing Gutenberg didn't insist that the printing press only be used to discuss the printing press.
 

matt s

Explorer
It's a good thing Gutenberg didn't insist that the printing press only be used to discuss the printing press.

I was wracking my brain for a good analogy to throw in my post, yours works better than anything I came up with. :)
I was stuck using the fight club line. "the first rule of HAM radio is you ONLY talk about HAM radio". But I wasn't sure how many people would get the movie reference.


Dario, thanks again for the link.
 

jcbrandon

Explorer
DarioCarrera, thanks for the link. Interesting read. Makes me a little uncomfortable, especially knowing that it has been translated into so many languages and adopted by authoritative organizations.

The previously mentioned rule that "... our communications should always be related to the amateur radio hobby" is both ridiculous and counter productive.

This other rule got my attention: "we address one another exclusively with their first name (or nickname), never with mister, miss nor misses or with a family name. This is also true for written communications between hams."

This sort of overly proscriptive declaration goes way beyond a code of ethics. And it doesn't help move me closer to getting my amateur radio license.

I think I will carefully read the document, look for useful content, and discard the rest. I'm just looking to add another tool to my overland travel kit. I'm not interested in joining a cult.
 

DaveInDenver

Middle Income Semi-Redneck
This sort of overly proscriptive declaration goes way beyond a code of ethics. And it doesn't help move me closer to getting my amateur radio license.

I think I will carefully read the document, look for useful content, and discard the rest. I'm just looking to add another tool to my overland travel kit. I'm not interested in joining a cult.
There are some hams who fit your stereotype but most of us are easy going and happy to answer questions or offer suggestions. I've found that some operate with some sort of chip on their shoulder, but very few. Ultimately it is about communicating information, but don't get upset that we have a strong technical aspect of how things work in radio. So talking about gear and propagation should be expected.

Humor the fella on the other end of the link, if he asks what radio, antenna and power you are using, just tell him. This is much more common in HF where you're mostly trying to make contacts and not ragchew so much. The other station might only be interested in logging a contact from your grid and if you are a mobile or portable station they are more interested. But once the contact is established they will want to move to another location. They are not being rude for rude's sake, they just aren't interesting in chewing the fat. OTOH, when you are trying to make contacts but other hams are sitting on a frequency holding a long QSO, that is not fair either. We all share this spectrum, so be mindful to be to the point, moving around periodically, leaving breaks for other stations.

I think there is a legitimate worry that a lot of new hams don't operate respectfully and so I think the basic reason for the document is probably fine. We need to be careful not to let the amateur bands turn into a CB-like free-for-all, which is why we try to discourage people in freebanding their radios and encourage people to chat about interesting subjects. Most important thing is to exercise your rig, know how it works, that it works, so you can trust it when you might actually need it. When a tornado hits is the wrong time to realize you don't have a power cable or that your mic stopped working. Also, it is a hobby with a long history and I think there is a certain amount of tradition which people just coming into it should be aware and respect.

The fact is you are joining a group of people who have established practices that date back most of a century. You should try to understand them and follow them to some extent. At the same time old timers need to be aware that none of us are born with the understanding and times change. So it's a give and take. Ultimately, you say you want a tool, what do you want out of it? Why do you want to be a ham? If it's just a VHF CB to you, there is nothing wrong with that but that's awful limiting on what the hobby can be.
 
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DaveInDenver

Middle Income Semi-Redneck
Reads like some HOA Nazi's trying to move into a new arena.
That is sorta true. AFAIK neither of these hams have been licensed for a very long time, maybe the 1980s. the ONxxx calls signs put them in Belgium. It's a fuzzy line IMO between trying to keep traditions from dying and being a stick in the mud. I try to keep my ragchews on VHF and UHF, where I don't have a single qualm about talking about weather, my truck, current events, whatever. On HF I pretty much don't fish for non-radio topics. The contacts are just too short and path might only be favorable for a few minutes. I also tend to listen a lot more on HF and TX relatively much less.
 

xtatik

Explorer
I think there is a legitimate worry that a lot of new hams don't operate respectfully and so I think the basic reason for the document is probably fine. We need to be careful not to let the amateur bands turn into a CB-like free-for-all, which is why we try to discourage people in freebanding their radios and encourage people to chat about interesting subjects. Most important thing is to exercise your rig, know how it works, that it works, so you can trust it when you might actually need it. When a tornado hits is the wrong time to realize you don't have a power cable or that your mic stopped working. Also, it is a hobby with a long history and I think there is a certain amount of tradition which people just coming into it should be aware and respect.

The fact is you are joining a group of people who have established practices that date back most of a century. You should try to understand them and follow them to some extent. At the same time old timers need to be aware that none of us are born with the understanding and times change. So it's a give and take. Ultimately, you say you want a tool, what do you want out of it? Why do you want to be a ham? If it's just a VHF CB to you, there is nothing wrong with that but that's awful limiting on what the hobby can be.

Dave,
These points are very well articulated.
I think some things may have got lost in translation with that document. Their comment on how to address one another did strike me as strange. I think they were simply try to impress that things are usually kept casual between operators and in fact there are no cult-like ways to address one another or "secret handshakes", etc.
At one time most of the equipment Hams were using was either homebrewed or military surplus. There was a lot of experimentation taking place and so questions as to the type of radios and station make-up were more common. All operators were trying to do is maximize the efficiency of their stations and they were all anxious to help one another out. The tradition still carries on today in a different vain, in that most (not all) equipment is more often becoming store-bought.
I find the content on HF to be little different and frankly a lot more interesting than what can be heard on the local repeaters. Simple questions like "how's the weather? take on new meaning, seem more genuine and less like "small talk" when asked of someone in Western Kiribati as opposed to someone in the next county. And, if I hear a station coming in at over S-9 with only 100 watts from the other side of the world, I'll definitely be asking them what type of antenna they're using.:D
 

jcbrandon

Explorer
...you say you want a tool, what do you want out of it? Why do you want to be a ham? If it's just a VHF CB to you, there is nothing wrong with that but that's awful limiting on what the hobby can be.

Dave-

Thanks for the thoughtful response. And please accept my apologies. I think I came off as a bit cranky in my post.

I will use my amateur radio license and equipment as a tool to enable reliable back country communications, and as backup communications in an emergency.
A few examples:
"I've reached the end of the trail and found a locked gate. Turning around now. Meet you back at the crossroads in 30 minutes."
"We've got a flat tire. Should have it repaired and be rolling again in 20 minutes. See you in camp in time for dinner."
"Patient is stable but not able to walk. We will need to arrange for an evacuation."

None of these conversations have anything to do with radio equipment or the amateur radio hobby. Equipment failures, operator inexperience, and poor technique would obviously hinder good communication and could even lead to life-threatening situations. So I'm all for excellence and will strive for it.

At this point in my path to getting an amateur radio license I'm not looking for another hobby. That may change after I get more involved. Right now, I want something useful rather than entertaining. I've got experience with CB, FRS/GMRS, licensed business radio, and in traveling with knowledgeable hams. So I've got a pretty good idea of what I'm looking for. I've been studying for the technician test and expect to have a license within a few weeks. And I've got a pretty good idea of what radio I want to buy and install in my truck.

So, later this year, if I'm talking with somebody and they ask about my equipment, I'll be happy to answer. And please forgive me if I address you as "Mister." :)
 

SunTzuNephew

Explorer
The claim that one should ONLY speak of ham radio topics is specious, and is completely contrary to the purposes of amateur radio - at least in the United States. Who knows about Belgium?

In the US, Ham radio is tolerated (and thats the word to use) because of whatever tenuous connection it has to emergency communications. Especially now that there aren't many benefits to providing cadres of trained radio operators to the military.

The connection is tenuous: Field DAY is a perfect example. One day (or weekend), in good weather, not interfering with any holiday, scheduled unto perpetuity so everyone can 'plan' for it. Emergencies happen at the worst possible times, not on nice summer weekends.

Further, there is a tradition in Ham radio of using the term OM (Old Man) as a proword for the station you are speaking to: As in "Sorry, OM - the QRM (interference) is strong". This dates back to wire telegraphy days, before Marconi tuned up his first spark gap transmitter....Kind of flies in the face of their claim to only use first names. But, WTH. Takes all kinds.
 

cnynrat

Expedition Leader
In the US, Ham radio is tolerated (and thats the word to use) because of whatever tenuous connection it has to emergency communications. Especially now that there aren't many benefits to providing cadres of trained radio operators to the military.

As of 2007 there were only 722,000 hams in the U.S. From the same Wiki there are estimates that the average age of ham radio operators is over 60.

In a world with nearly universal access to technologies like cell phones, SMS/texting, and instant messaging I predict we'll see fewer and fewer ham radio operators in the future. It will be interesting to see whether the government makes any spectrum allocation changes in the future.
 

dzzz

The number of license are still rising slowly. Which is surprising. I don't think there is a medium term risk of losing bandwidth. The profile of the typical ham user will change dramatically, of course. I wonder if there will be far fewer base stations?
 

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