Hard side decisions

Hunts

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First time here on the forums, so I thought I’d reach out for advice and thoughts from you all.

Got a ram 2500 megacab so we are in the market for a “lighter” weight (under 2k) camper. We will be 2 adults and 2 toddlers 2-4 years old.

Right now we are learning towards Supertramp HT.

What are you honest options or experience with ST campers?

Part of me wants to just dive in and get a flat bed on my truck so it opens new opportunities.
 
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Can't speak of experince with Super Tramp but they check a lot of the boxes on campers if you know what you want and they meet your wants/needs.

I fall in the "get a flatbed" camp. If you don't need it as a work truck and/or to haul a 5th wheel trailer then I also agree with rruff to do a small, low platform and build boxes from there. I put a standard skirted flatbed on my truck and it is nice but it is higher than I want and pretty heavy. I sold my factroy bed to a collision shop and was trying to buy back the damaged bed they had so I could cut it appart and use the base as the platform for build out. It did not work out so will probably build one this coming winter.

I think you should back up a bit first. I don't know your ultimate goals or budget but a supertramp is an expesive entry point into truck camping. I also don't know your camping background (any camping? limited tent camping? minimlalist backpacking and sleeping on the open ground?). Point being there is a wide range of backgrounds. In my experience, the folks that are happiest with smaller campers are those that have been perfectly happy tent camping for years or truck topper camping but life changes and an increase in financial resources allows them venture into truck camping at a higher level. If finanical resources are not a constraint, I would broom the truck first and get a crew cab with eight foot bed and then put a $7k camper on it. Use the heck out of it and in a year you will know 1) if you even have time to use it 2) how you like to use it 3) what you can do without and what you absolutely need 4) if you need the unbelievalbe amount of additional storage and plain functionality a flatbed provides in conjunction with a truck camper. You can sell the camper for $5K and then go get the next one. Losing $2K is cheap compared to having a $30K camper and then find out it does not meet your needs.

This is not a knock on ST but trying to save money by running what you brung with the current truck and then buying what I consider a high end camper to make the old truck work would be a mistake. I know, the old megacab with diesel is kind of unreplaceable and if you are really lucky it is a manual. That would probably have me trying to hold onto it as well.
 
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Hunts

New member
Can't speak of experince with Super Tramp but they check a lot of the boxes on campers if you know what you want and they meet your wants/needs.

I fall in the "get a flatbed" camp. If you don't need it as a work truck and/or to haul a 5th wheel trailer then I also agree with rruff to do a small, low platform and build boxes from there. I put a standard skirted flatbed on my truck and it is nice but it is higher than I want and pretty heavy. I sold my factroy bed to a collision shop and was trying to buy back the damaged bed they had so I could cut it appart and use the base as the platform for build out. It did not work out so will probably build one this coming winter.

I think you should back up a bit first. I don't know your ultimate goals or budget but a supertramp is and expesive entry point into truck camping. I also don't know your camping background (any camping? limited tent camping? minimlalist backpacking and sleeping on the open ground?). Point being there is a wide range of backgrounds. In my experience, the folks that are happiest with smaller campers are those that have been perfectly happy tent camping for years or truck topper camping but life changes and an increase in financial resources allows them venture into truck camping at a higher level. If finanical resources are not a constraint, I would broom the truck first and get a crew cab with eight foot bed and then put a $7k camper on it. Use the heck out of it and in a year you will know 1) if you even have time to use it 2) how you like to use it 3) what you can do without and what you absolutely need 4) if you need the unbelievalbe amount of additional storage and plain functionality a flatbed provides in conjunction with a truck camper. You can sell the camper for $5K and then go get the next one. Losing $2K is cheap compared to having a $30K camper and then find out it does not meet your needs.

This is not a knock on ST but trying to save money by running what you brung with the current truck and then buying what I consider a high end camper to make the old truck work would be a mistake. I know, the old megacab with diesel is kind of unreplaceable and if you are really lucky it is a manual. That would probably have me trying to hold onto it as well.
Thanks for the response.

Weve done quite a bit of camping, but no slide in truck camping. Like most on here I’ve camped and slept in anything from tents to truck cabs to box trailers…. Basically any shelter available while hunting. Nothing like those nights that are so cold your propane heaters won’t light….

Now that I have little ones I’d like something that is safe to leave them in while I sneak out early to hunt, has climate control and isn’t so big and comfortable they never want to leave…. I’ve told my wife one benefit of the truck camper is eventually when the kids get old they will want to get out and tent camp. Those days spent tent camping are priceless so I don’t want them to miss out on that. Meanwhile mom and dad will be comfortable lol

Another reason I’m stuck on truck campers is because I have a jeep I’ll be flat towing…. We want to be able to take some quick weekend warrior trips, get out late, pass out, wake up and have fun.

As far as my truck goes its a 2020 ram 2500 not the old classic but fully deleted so its runs like it should.

Money isn’t unlimited but a supertramp is in the budget. It’s just difficult to wrap my mind around the price. The only thing I’ve been able to do to help make sense of it is compare it to deep sea boats…. Higher quality and higher price. I don’t know supertramp but their process and materials are enough to know you are buying a shell that could last 50+ years just like the old boats you see still runnin strong.

My thought process has always been to save up until I can afford what I want rather than buy, sell, upgrade…. Just seems like you end up spending more in the long run that way. But that’s just me.

Anyways I’ve been racking my brain for over a month and doing as much research as possible on all type of truck campers under 2,000lbs…

I’m pretty set on hardside over pop up for all the benefits, but this greatly reduces my options so I’m not 100% commited to the hard side decision

Glad I found these forums because there is so much good people to learn from and just bounce ideas around.

Appreciate any thoughts….
 

sn_85

Observer
Do you know what the payload is on the Ram 2500 Megacab? Depending on payload that may answer your slide in vs flatbed discussion. Typically a flatbed camper weights a few hundred pounds more than a slide in.

I've been in a few Supertramp campers before and they are top notch. I love how spacious they feel inside and you get a lot of seating room in a small package. I think the component selection and features is good for a complete build. The con is that they are expensive and for me the HT seems a bit of an afterthought and there are a few misses IMO. You don't actually get that much more storage on the HT and how they integrate the cabinets seem a little weird. I do love how big the alcove is, how many windows there are and the underbed storage.

Another one to consider is the Outpost Camper which is nearly $30K cheaper. I believe they did the storage and cabinetry in the Outpost a lot better with full height and upper cabinets. It also seems like a very well thought out and fully spec'd camper. The con I see is that the seating area seems a bit smaller and not as spacious inside. I guess it's the trade off on having more storage space is that you lose seating area.


If you're like me though once you scratch the flatbed itch you kind of go down that rabbit hole. I think slide-ins work for younger families but if you have dogs and once the kids get older you want more space so you're not just sitting on top of each other. That's where a flatbed makes life a bit easier. More storage and more space overall.
 

Hunts

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Do you know what the payload is on the Ram 2500 Megacab? Depending on payload that may answer your slide in vs flatbed discussion. Typically a flatbed camper weights a few hundred pounds more than a slide in.

I've been in a few Supertramp campers before and they are top notch. I love how spacious they feel inside and you get a lot of seating room in a small package. I think the component selection and features is good for a complete build. The con is that they are expensive and for me the HT seems a bit of an afterthought and there are a few misses IMO. You don't actually get that much more storage on the HT and how they integrate the cabinets seem a little weird. I do love how big the alcove is, how many windows there are and the underbed storage.

Another one to consider is the Outpost Camper which is nearly $30K cheaper. I believe they did the storage and cabinetry in the Outpost a lot better with full height and upper cabinets. It also seems like a very well thought out and fully spec'd camper. The con I see is that the seating area seems a bit smaller and not as spacious inside. I guess it's the trade off on having more storage space is that you lose seating area.


If you're like me though once you scratch the flatbed itch you kind of go down that rabbit hole. I think slide-ins work for younger families but if you have dogs and once the kids get older you want more space so you're not just sitting on top of each other. That's where a flatbed makes life a bit easier. More storage and more space overall.
The outpost was on the top of my list and I’ll definitely be looking at them this weekend at the Pamona overland expo…

Two things on the outpost, it’s hard for me to imagine how the shell will hold up over time as I’m not familiar with the construction process. When I see panels held together by a sort of track system or bracket it redflags my mind for point of failure in the long term. Especially over landing with all the different torsions.

Another downside about the outpost is they can’t accommodate king size bed extensions…. It’s not horrible, but if you have kids you know they will somehow make it into your bed at night. King bed turns the sleepless nights into a manageable situation…. Not a deal breaker, but just a thought.
 
Thanks for the response.

Weve done quite a bit of camping, but no slide in truck camping. Like most on here I’ve camped and slept in anything from tents to truck cabs to box trailers…. Basically any shelter available while hunting. Nothing like those nights that are so cold your propane heaters won’t light….

Now that I have little ones I’d like something that is safe to leave them in while I sneak out early to hunt, has climate control and isn’t so big and comfortable they never want to leave…. I’ve told my wife one benefit of the truck camper is eventually when the kids get old they will want to get out and tent camp. Those days spent tent camping are priceless so I don’t want them to miss out on that. Meanwhile mom and dad will be comfortable lol

Another reason I’m stuck on truck campers is because I have a jeep I’ll be flat towing…. We want to be able to take some quick weekend warrior trips, get out late, pass out, wake up and have fun.

As far as my truck goes its a 2020 ram 2500 not the old classic but fully deleted so its runs like it should.

Money isn’t unlimited but a supertramp is in the budget. It’s just difficult to wrap my mind around the price. The only thing I’ve been able to do to help make sense of it is compare it to deep sea boats…. Higher quality and higher price. I don’t know supertramp but their process and materials are enough to know you are buying a shell that could last 50+ years just like the old boats you see still runnin strong.

My thought process has always been to save up until I can afford what I want rather than buy, sell, upgrade…. Just seems like you end up spending more in the long run that way. But that’s just me.

Anyways I’ve been racking my brain for over a month and doing as much research as possible on all type of truck campers under 2,000lbs…

I’m pretty set on hardside over pop up for all the benefits, but this greatly reduces my options so I’m not 100% commited to the hard side decision

Glad I found these forums because there is so much good people to learn from and just bounce ideas around.

Appreciate any thoughts….
Good progression on camping. You are going to enjoy anything you end up with. I like the hardside vs soft as you can toss everything in the cab over and head out. One of the best things about a camper in general is 80% plus of what you need for the weekend is in it and ready. When you get where you are going you will develope a routine. One of you will grab the kids and venture around while the other gets the inside situated. Pretty easy way to camp.
 

andy_b

Well-known member
Thanks for the response.

Weve done quite a bit of camping, but no slide in truck camping. Like most on here I’ve camped and slept in anything from tents to truck cabs to box trailers…. Basically any shelter available while hunting. Nothing like those nights that are so cold your propane heaters won’t light….

Now that I have little ones I’d like something that is safe to leave them in while I sneak out early to hunt, has climate control and isn’t so big and comfortable they never want to leave…. I’ve told my wife one benefit of the truck camper is eventually when the kids get old they will want to get out and tent camp. Those days spent tent camping are priceless so I don’t want them to miss out on that. Meanwhile mom and dad will be comfortable lol

Another reason I’m stuck on truck campers is because I have a jeep I’ll be flat towing…. We want to be able to take some quick weekend warrior trips, get out late, pass out, wake up and have fun.

As far as my truck goes its a 2020 ram 2500 not the old classic but fully deleted so its runs like it should.

Money isn’t unlimited but a supertramp is in the budget. It’s just difficult to wrap my mind around the price. The only thing I’ve been able to do to help make sense of it is compare it to deep sea boats…. Higher quality and higher price. I don’t know supertramp but their process and materials are enough to know you are buying a shell that could last 50+ years just like the old boats you see still runnin strong.

My thought process has always been to save up until I can afford what I want rather than buy, sell, upgrade…. Just seems like you end up spending more in the long run that way. But that’s just me.

Anyways I’ve been racking my brain for over a month and doing as much research as possible on all type of truck campers under 2,000lbs…

I’m pretty set on hardside over pop up for all the benefits, but this greatly reduces my options so I’m not 100% commited to the hard side decision

Glad I found these forums because there is so much good people to learn from and just bounce ideas around.

Appreciate any thoughts….
We’re two adults and one kid - keeping weight <2k wet will be really, really tough. I agree with everyone suggesting a flatbed because the additional space for ppl and storage will really come in handy. Keeping kids happy requires a lot of gear sometimes lol. We built a custom Total Composites camper to address most of our perceived issues with other campers and have not been disappointed. We share your philosophy of buy once, cry once.

The boat analogy is perfect. I’m not sure exactly how you’re envisioning its use, but for 4 ppl to use in the backcountry, these are more like small bluewater boats and are unfortunately priced accordingly.
 

sn_85

Observer
The outpost was on the top of my list and I’ll definitely be looking at them this weekend at the Pamona overland expo…

Two things on the outpost, it’s hard for me to imagine how the shell will hold up over time as I’m not familiar with the construction process. When I see panels held together by a sort of track system or bracket it redflags my mind for point of failure in the long term. Especially over landing with all the different torsions.

Another downside about the outpost is they can’t accommodate king size bed extensions…. It’s not horrible, but if you have kids you know they will somehow make it into your bed at night. King bed turns the sleepless nights into a manageable situation…. Not a deal breaker, but just a thought.

I wouldn’t be worried about the shell and construction methods. If you look around, pretty much all the composite campers are built the same way. Composite panels joined at the edges with extrusion and adhesives. OEV, Total Composites, Cascadia Composites, Lemker Overland, Globetrekker etc etc all build them the same way with some variations in panel and extrusion material. The tech and that way of building them has been proven globally over a decade now. The adhesives have a ridiculous break strength and will not come apart. The only company that I’ve seen that panels have delaminated or come apart from the extrusion is Scout campers which is essentially the lowest quality build you can get. They aren’t even in the same league as the other companies I mentioned.
 

Hunts

New member
We’re two adults and one kid - keeping weight <2k wet will be really, really tough. I agree with everyone suggesting a flatbed because the additional space for ppl and storage will really come in handy. Keeping kids happy requires a lot of gear sometimes lol. We built a custom Total Composites camper to address most of our perceived issues with other campers and have not been disappointed. We share your philosophy of buy once, cry once.

The boat analogy is perfect. I’m not sure exactly how you’re envisioning its use, but for 4 ppl to use in the backcountry, these are more like small bluewater boats and are unfortunately priced accordingly.
I agree with you about the extra storage. My strategy is to get the camper and get some trips in to see what else we need, eventually id like to get a custom bed but i gotta ease my wife into it lol. Until then my storage option is my 4dr jeep that i will be flat towing. that where i plan on putt my coolers and misc gear.
Im going to the pomona overland expo this weekend so i should have my decision made up by Monday on which camper im going to choose.
 

rruff

Explorer
Two things on the outpost, it’s hard for me to imagine how the shell will hold up over time as I’m not familiar with the construction process. When I see panels held together by a sort of track system or bracket it redflags my mind for point of failure in the long term. Especially over landing with all the different torsions.
Is your truck open-C? If it's fully boxed it won't flex enough to matter. If you get a slide-in, then the spring struts you use should flex enough if it's open-C.

Like sn-85 said, this is very robust construction... I'd say extreme overkill actually on the joints. But these campers are pretty rigid, so hard mounting them to a flexy chassis isn't a good idea.
 

Hunts

New member
Is your truck open-C? If it's fully boxed it won't flex enough to matter. If you get a slide-in, then the spring struts you use should flex enough if it's open-C.

Like sn-85 said, this is very robust construction... I'd say extreme overkill actually on the joints. But these campers are pretty rigid, so hard mounting them to a flexy chassis isn't a good idea.
That’s a great question, I’m honestly not sure. I’ll have to crawl under my truck and check. It does have a 5th wheel package so I’m not sure if the add internal bracing that would act like a sheer panel….. good question and definitely leads me to do some research
 

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