adrenaline503
Explorer
Find a black one with a flash light on it. Pay 3 times as much. Then you have a tactical shotgun. Or, get a 12 gauge, get some low velocity rounds and shoot the hell out of it. Its not the gun that makes the man....
Help me buy a tactical shotgun!
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Optimistic Paranoid
Observer
I'm prepared to concede that there are exceptions to every rule. So consider my statement modified to read: "The AVERAGE shooter isn't going to hit a damn thing with them except by dumb luck!"
I congratulate you on being that good with it. You're certainly better than I am.
Uhm. John Farnham likes to say that "Amateurs practice til they get it right. Professionals practice til they CAN'T get it wrong."
I suspect that to be able to do it, on demand, under great stress, in any light, etc. is gonna require a LOT more practice than "not all that much". A lot more than a shotgun with a buttstock, for sure.
Again, just my never particularly humble opinion.
Sincere Regards
John
LMarshall73
Adventurer
Unfortunately, they aren't due out until November, so, by KelTec's calendar that means they'll be available in a few years. As soon as the LGS starts taking deposits, I'll leave one though.
dwh
Tail-End Charlie
Used to be. Not anymore. Nowadays I'm lucky if I can even see the clays. Pretty sure if I can see them, I can still hit them.
I've got quite a lot of time in with modified weaver stance and handguns. Deleting the handgun and inserting the pistol grip shotgun means that all that practice still applies. Having the offhand further forward didn't negate the muscle memory and make me have to start over learning a new skill from scratch.
The part that took a little practice, was cycling the thing fast enough and then getting back on target.
First problem is a tendency to short stroke it while in a hurry. Next problem is it's not like an over/under where you can just follow through on a smooth track from one clay to the next; With the gun sticking out like that and no buttstock, cycling the action completely screws up your aim point and forces a fresh acquire on the second clay. Fortunately, I was a pretty decent wing shot back then so I was able to acquire and lead quickly enough to get a round off before the second clay hit the ground.
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ssc45
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For your purpose, it sounds like either one will be just fine and I have both. If pushed for a choice on a hard use shotty, I would pick the 870. I have mossbergs in both ar stock and regular stock. I find the regular stock, set up a bit short on the LOP for me, to be much faster and much better to manipulate the controls-safety, pump and release. The reason I like a bit shorter for the LOP is that I square up on the gun like my AR's, M-4. To me that is the only benefit to the AR type adjustable stock. If you are just doing the tactical testicle thing--nothing wrong with that--have fun. I have shottys set up for competition, hunting, serious work and fun. However, people have a funny way of looking at the shotgun and just think you point it in the general direction and it takes care of business. Plus, that a person doesn't really need to devote time to learn and train. I find it is a difficult weapon to master and practice and training is wise.
Cheers, Steve
Cheers, Steve
mr r2fj
Adventurer
My vote goes with the 870, but I'd recommend the police version over the express. I've never been a fan of cost saving measures put into the express versions. They work just fine, but I just prefer to pay a bit extra to get the non MIM parts, metal trigger guard, and the extra work/inspection they go through. See if you can find a police surplus if you want to save some cash. I absolutely hate the safety location on the mossbergs and prefer the more standard trigger guard location on the 870. That may be more of a personal choice thing but they're significantly different so check that out if you haven't already. I've never owned the 590A1 but the 500 I owned felt cheap and of lower quality than the 870 expresses I've handled. Functionally wise I'm sure they're both fine, but my money is still on the Remington. Never compared a 870P to an 590A1 so I can't comment on that. I will comment that Mossberg has taken to strapping all kinds of "tactical" junk onto their rifles in order to appeal to that market. My advise would be to buy the best base system you can and then put on the things you want. These are the ford and chevy of shotguns and there is HUGE after market support for these things so you'll have no problem outfitting it however you want.
My current new shotgun for travel will be a 870 Police Marine Magnum. Not cheap on the spectrum but the thing will outlast me and probably several generations after words. If you're in an area that has high moisture or salt you'll definitely want to consider that. It is completely nickel coated and should provide one of the best corrosion resistances around. Of course you could always do a custom ceracoat job and get maybe even better resistance. Anyway, they sell non police marine magnums for slightly less as well if you're trying to stay at a certain price point.
If you have the money I feel that the benelli M4 is the finest "tactical" shotgun you can own. I absolutely love mine. It's a high quality machine but it comes with a hefty price.
Pistol grips entirely depend on how you like to shoot and how you train. I've spoken to trainers that hate them on shotguns because they get in the way of loading. I haven't spent a lot of time speed loading on mine so I can't really comment on that. I love it on my M4 but also appreciate the more traditional setup. One thing to keep in mind is what you plan on doing with it. Different setups will appeal to different situations.
that's a lot of rambling, hopefully it helped.
My current new shotgun for travel will be a 870 Police Marine Magnum. Not cheap on the spectrum but the thing will outlast me and probably several generations after words. If you're in an area that has high moisture or salt you'll definitely want to consider that. It is completely nickel coated and should provide one of the best corrosion resistances around. Of course you could always do a custom ceracoat job and get maybe even better resistance. Anyway, they sell non police marine magnums for slightly less as well if you're trying to stay at a certain price point.
If you have the money I feel that the benelli M4 is the finest "tactical" shotgun you can own. I absolutely love mine. It's a high quality machine but it comes with a hefty price.
Pistol grips entirely depend on how you like to shoot and how you train. I've spoken to trainers that hate them on shotguns because they get in the way of loading. I haven't spent a lot of time speed loading on mine so I can't really comment on that. I love it on my M4 but also appreciate the more traditional setup. One thing to keep in mind is what you plan on doing with it. Different setups will appeal to different situations.
that's a lot of rambling, hopefully it helped.
Youngunner
Adventurer
I totally forgot about this thread! Excellent reading material fellas! I appreciate the input.