Here is a test of AWD and 4WD.

[GetOutThere]

I'd like to see any AWD Jeep crossover in these tests. FDII is specifically made for more difficult off road situations, so should be excluded.

But how would a regular AWD Patriot/Compass/Cherokee/Renegade perform? Now that would be interesting to see.

 

[bluehash]

Here is Audi's AWD Quattro:

 

[kojackJKU]

A Rubicon, yes.
A Sport, Sahara, or anything else not locked, no. The open diffs would send power right to the slipping wheel.

Correction: In 4wd they would all pass the first test with only the front wheels on ice, but only the Rubicon (or Moab/Sahara with LSD) would pass the 1 wheel with traction test.

Im sorry but the sport and sahara will as well, brake lock differential will send the power to the gripping wheels. just pull up on the e brake a few clicks. and your on your way.

 

[shays4me]

A Rubicon, yes.
A Sport, Sahara, or anything else not locked, no. The open diffs would send power right to the slipping wheel.

Correction: In 4wd they would all pass the first test with only the front wheels on ice, but only the Rubicon (or Moab/Sahara with LSD) would pass the 1 wheel with traction test.

I honestly don't know how it would do. My JK has a pretty aggressive traction control system without using the lockers.

 

[kojackJKU]

I have had my Jeep is some slippery **** snow. brake lock worked like a charm

 

[toylandcruiser]

Not sure how this turned into a jeep discussion


"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

 

[shays4me]

Not sure how this turned into a jeep discussion

Well it is in the Jeep section, so I automatically wondered "how would my Jeep do?"

 

[kojackJKU]

You have not to worry shays4me, your jeep will lay waste to that test. I know mine does in different situations all the time. and will only be better with the true tracs.

 

[aristobrat]

Im sorry but the sport and sahara will as well, brake lock differential will send the power to the gripping wheels. just pull up on the e brake a few clicks. and your on your way.

I'm pretty sure the guys making this video (along with 99.9% of JK owners) would have no idea how to "manually engage" the BLD system. In that sense, the Sport and Sahara would have gone nowhere on that ramp, just like the majority of the other vehicles.

 

[shays4me]

I'm pretty sure the guys making this video (along with 99.9% of JK owners) would have no idea how to "manually engage" the BLD system. In that sense, the Sport and Sahara would have gone nowhere on that ramp, just like the majority of the other vehicles.

I didn't know that you had to. I thought it was all part of the traction control system, operated by the speed sensors at the wheels? Mine seems to come on automatically in the rough stuff. I can't seem to find a diagram of the rear lsd/locker, but the front is definitely not anything like a detroit truetrac. I've installed several truetracs in CJ's and they do not have traditional spider gears.

 

[aristobrat]

From what I've read on the various JK forums over the years, BLD is part of TCS, but requires the simultaneous use of brakes and gas to engage (which I think is why kojackJKU mentioned "pulling up the e-brake a few clicks").

Personally, I've never seen it work. When the open/open JKs that I wheel with get a tire in the air, that tire gets all of the power. I have seen a few videos showing it in action, so I have no doubt that kojackJKU's figured it out and has good luck with it.

 

[kojackJKU]

Its in one of the manuals how to use the BLD. I also used it with success in my patriot. Yes, real lockers work much better as you don't have to mess with them. but BLD is there if you NEED it.

 

[motas]

The e brake was mentioned because if you loose traction and repeatedly jab the hand brake it makes the resistance across the diff closer to equal diverting some of the power to the wheel "on ice".

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[dstn2bdoa]

I will never own another subaru because of such a bad experience the first time.

My first Subie was a 2002 WRX. I bought it new and put 111K HARD miles on it, not a single mechanical issue for the entire time I owned the car.

Second Subie was a 2008 WRX, sold the car at 80K miles. Auto X'd, Rally X'd, basically driven like it was stolen. Once again not a single mechanical issue for the entire time I owned the car.

On my third one now. At least in my experience if they're maintained well, they'll last and give you tons of smiles. Sure the build quality isn't to BMW standards, but you don't pay BMW prices either.

 

[dstn2bdoa]

I should state that I'm not trying to argue or fight, just spreading my Subie love.

Back to topic at hand.