high mileage motors for overloading

Do any of you see any issues with high mileage 3.8 jeep motors? I have a117,000 online makes me little nervous sometimes . but is has been well maintained oil changed regularly and frequently .most of those miles are highway. new trans with cooler condenser cooler , new brakes so >>>>>???
 

docwatson

Adventurer
Agreed. In 2015 I am surprised we still talk about 200,000 miles as if it's some type of unachieveable milestone. That being said normally ancillary components fail before an engine will die (water pump, alternator, etc.)
 

Dr. Marneaus

Station Wagoneer
Eh 117 ain't no thang. Had a dodge magnum with a hemi that had 140something on it and never had a single issue. I know that's not a ton but still.

In my 73 Wagoneer I swapped in an engine from a truck that had 155,000 on the clock...and the rest of my rig has 202,000 (who knows it could be 302,000). I drive it out into the middle of nowhere and take several hundred mile trips frequently...and that's a POS truck from the 70's not a modern vehicle.

I wouldn't worry at 117,000
 

wADVr

Adventurer
You didn't mention oil usage so your 3.8 must be in good shape. Run and maintain it as long as you can.
 

unkamonkey

Explorer
A lady friend has over 300,000 on her 4.0 and due for a water pump again and the transmission is a bit wonky.I have over 200,000 on my Volvo, I did had to change the clutch at 140 k, basic stuff like a timing belt and a PS pump. I knew a guy that had a Monte Carlo, over 550,000 on it and it had never been opened up. I think this morning I read an article about the guy that hit 3 million miles on his P1800 Volvo. No comments on what work had been done to it.
 

quickfarms

Adventurer
I have 190 on my ford and it is running strong. The nissan needed a new engine at 180 to to a timing chain. My wife has 130 on a dodge v8.

We do regular maintenance and have replaced a lot of hoses, belts, water pumps, radiators and other things.

The 3.8 did have some complaints that is why they went to the 3.6

Each engine is different.
 
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Comanche Scott

Expedition Leader
Think of your family first!

117,000 miles :eek:
Whoah, I think it's time to consider a 6.4L VVT Hemi swap. It's really the only sensible thing to do. Will be a much nicer driver, especially if you have children. That poor 3.8L is so worn out by now, I'm surprised it still starts. You've done an awesome job to get it this far. Don't think I'd feel comfortable taking wife and kids places with such a worn out engine.
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You obviously take great care of your vehicles, so the minor cost to make the swap will have a great ROI.
The other option would be to trade it in on an AEV JK350 with the Hemi conversion, because the 3.6 wasn't so good for a family vehicle.
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I've read on the internet that either option tends to make husbands more appreciative of all the hard work and effort done to keep the family running smoothly by the wife. Guys have been known to bring home flowers more often, take out the trash with fewer reminders, send the wife on shopping sprees. etc.. It really does work miracles.
Pretty sure Dennis Woods has a YouTube video on all this.
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Just in case you are trying to work a Hemi into the family budget. Feel free to edit/embellish as needed. :elkgrin:
Hope it helps! :beer:

:D
 

twiisted71

Adventurer
Each motor is different and "new" engine designs tend to have teething problems. Ford 6.0 diesel, Toyota 3.0, Subaru 4 cyls, Ford SOHC 4.0, and the list could go on and on. These are all examples of manufacturers changing proven components or complete designs that resulted in seriously damaging their reliability reputations. Most have made efforts to remedy the weaklinks or scrapped the design altogether, while others have just left consumers to their own diligence when it comes to researching before buying. The problem is when a new design debuts there isn't any information to research!
Personally I no longer buy new vehicles, but when I did I NEVER bought a new car during a major component's first couple of years on the market. With the price of vehicles these days I'd expect 300K miles out of every one of them. But check out the Toyota and Subaru headgasket issues. Both of these manufacturers were synonymous with reliability, and still are ---until about the 100-130K mile mark! I won't even get going on the Ford 6.0 diesel fiasco.
I love the new 4 door Wrangler, but IMHO they are sacrificing engine reliability in an ever increasing search for MPGs and HP (the same goes for making every vehicle as "luxurious" as possible). I mean folks are having to sleeve their axle tubes because they are so lightweight. But they've got side airbags, 400w stereos, 8 miles of wiring for all the electronic "aids", power seats, power windows, enough hoses underhood so you can't see the engine, etc, etc. How many of us are such piss poor drivers that we need auto headlights, wipers, HUD readout, information center (computer) in console, heated/cooled cupholders, and all the other gobbledygook in our 4x4s.? They can still offer a nanny-state version for the soccer moms and teenage graduation present recipients who buy insurance intending to crash on a regular basis because they can't be bothered to concentrate on driving.

Build an LJ size Jeep with a Kubota 3.3L mech turbodiesel, AX-15 trans, 44 axles with lockout hubs up front, PS, PB, comfortable seats with adjustable bolstering and lumbar, opt A/C, opt 25-30 gallon fuel tanks, and a CJ-ish plain interior and it should sell like hotcakes. Reliability, longevity, durability, EASY minimal maintenance, simplicity of pull the floor covering and hose out the crud and unheard of economy in a modern Jeep (not counting the CRD Liberty and G. Cherokee) all for one of the lowest prices of a new vehicle offered in this country. NO R&D needed. All components are readily available and proven performers - AND what Jeepers have been begging to have available for decades.
Whew! Sunday Soapbox rant over:coffeedrink:
 

65BAJA

Da Nu Guy
The 3.8 is not known to be the greatest motor. It certainly does not have the lifespan of a 4.0L 6cyl. Keep an eye on the oil usage. Replacement long blocks should be pretty easy to come by though. A lot of the people that do swap out for a Hemi or LS should be more than eager to sell their stock motor for cheap.
 

quickfarms

Adventurer
Jeep had to ditch the 4.0 for emissions reasons.

Just had to replace the cam position sensor, distributer, in my 4.0 because the bushings seized because there was not any provisions for oiling.

The EPA has been the death of the simple vehicle.
 

Cole

Expedition Leader
Jeep had to ditch the 4.0 for emissions reasons.

They could have evolved the engine to pass. It was inefficient in their supply chain. It was only being used in one platform. It's far more efficient manufacturing and parts stocking to use engines that are common to more of your products.
 

65BAJA

Da Nu Guy
The real reason they got rid of it is engine intrusion into the passenger compartment in the event of a front end collision. This is also why Jeep never put a Hemi into the JK stock. Too big to stuff in there and still have a frontal impact zone. The 4.0L is a damn long motor, and heavy even with an aluminum head. With a stubby V6 they got what they needed a short motor. It's just too bad they couldn't have released the JK with the 3.6L instead of the 3.8L.
 

Cole

Expedition Leader
That's BS. If they wanted to put a Hemi in there they would have. There is a reason it fits so well! Because it was designed to fit in there.

This is a company that designed the thing from the ground up, not someone trying to stick it in there after the fact.

It fits in plenty of their other cars with less room in front.

I've talked to the engineers that designed the thing. It's built for the Hemi. The cold hard fact is that Wrangler buyers would buy plenty of them without the Hemi and they would have reduced problems from abusive end users.

Chrysler/Dodge/Daimler also had excess capacity in the V6 plants but not the Hemi plants. It's good business to not overtax one parts supply while you have excess capacity at the other.

It's a business decision, that is all. Nothing to do with any mechanical excuses about emissions or the engine not fitting, etc.
 

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